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Old 01-04-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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It's actually 2/3 of the White population that's functionally illiterate in math. 2/3 of the US's White population doesn't live in just Appalachia. The dumbed-down US public school system is a nationwide problem.
And the dumbed-down US complete education system is and has been controlled by democrats!!
Each year it gets worse and worse -- and democrats only solution? Throw more money at it
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Federal law isn't "opinion." It's prosecutable law.
No kidding, Sherlock. But it IS opinion that failure of states to apply resources to enforce one federal law is actually committing a violation of another. That’s a pretty tenuous chain of logic. It might hold up. It might not. Common law is wonderful that way for stark opinions like yours sometimes being seen as completely incorrect.
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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No kidding, Sherlock. But it IS opinion that failure of states to apply resources to enforce one federal law is actually committing a violation of another.
That's not what the Federal law I cited addresses. It has nothing to do with local enforcement. Read it again:

Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

...With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.


https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses

The prison term is 5-10 years PER each illegal alien. They can go to prison for life.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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That's not what the Federal law I cited addresses. It has nothing to do with local enforcement. Read it again:

Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

Conspiracy/Aiding or Abetting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(v) expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of the foregoing offenses.

...With regard to violations of 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(ii)-(iv) and (v)(ii), domestic transportation, harboring, encouraging/inducing, or aiding/abetting, the basic statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 5 years, unless the offense was committed for commercial advantage or private financial gain, in which case the maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years.


https://www.justice.gov/usam/crimina...1324a-offenses

The prison term is 5-10 years PER each illegal alien. They can go to prison for life.
Failure to do an action (check for immigration status or notify ICE of a potential illegal or hold for pickup) is not automatically encouraging, inducing, conspiring, aiding, or abetting. It *may* be. You obviously believe it is, and you’re entitled to that opinion. But that’s all it is, an opinion. The fact pattern of each case is used to determine if a violation occurred, and cutting and pasting the federal law you claim is violated again and again does not prove your opinion is correct.

In point of fact, I believe there is a strong chance your opinion would be held up in a court challenge. I am trying to point out that law and its interpretation is not black and white. You seem to be taking that to mean something it doesn’t, which is that I support sanctuary cities. I don’t support them. I don’t oppose them. I’m allowed to have no opinion on an issue.

I say again: it will probably take a SCOTUS ruling to clarify which side is correct. Case law is far from settled on this one.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:38 AM
 
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Failure to do an action (check for immigration status or notify ICE of a potential illegal or hold for pickup) is not automatically encouraging, inducing, conspiring, aiding, or abetting.
A local/state authority (mayor, governor, city/state legislature) declaring, voting, etc., a city/state to be a sanctuary city/state IS an action. It IS encouraging, inducing, conspiring, aiding, and abetting. Had they not done so, they wouldn't have violated Federal law. Too late now. Hope ICE/DOJ prosecutes them and puts them away for life.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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What ticks me and many others off is, DACA will go-through, then another amnesty will happen not too far down the road. But true and significant reforms to immigration-policies will never happen.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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A local/state authority (mayor, governor, city/state legislature) declaring, voting, etc., a city/state to be a sanctuary city/state IS an action. It IS encouraging, inducing, conspiring, aiding, and abetting. Had they not done so, they wouldn't have violated Federal law. Too late now. Hope ICE/DOJ prosecutes them and puts them away for life.
Thanks for your opinion! I’m sure it will totally sway the government officials advised by their own lawyers...who hold different opinions.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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I rather doubt the 3/4 illiterate number. Sounds fishy. Regardless of whether you want to send them back.
I thought that the OP said 'functionally illiterate'. To me that means they can read and speak the language but the words mean nothing to them since their whole process starts somewhere else that is not the USA.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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Thanks for your opinion!
It's not my opinion. It's Federal law. And those who've violated it have already been warned by ICE Director Thomas Homan.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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I thought that the OP said 'functionally illiterate'. To me that means they can read and speak the language but the words mean nothing to them since their whole process starts somewhere else that is not the USA.
The words mean nothing to them?????

Evidently words don't mean very much to you. DACA applies to immigrants who were brought to this country as CHILDREN. Many of these immigrants have no memories of any country other than the USA.

And the OP's title is mistaken. Either mistaken, or blatantly untrue.
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