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Old 01-05-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by stburr91 View Post
I'll type it out slowly for you.

Hillary was never under investigation for using a private email server.

You cannot store classified information outside of a SCIF, period, full stop.

Hillary's server is not a SCIF, she violated the espionage act.

I'll say it again, say it with me.

Hillary was never under investigation for using a private email server.
dude why not prove it instead of just repeating yourself.

and frankly you should prove because nobody and i mean nobody outside of trumpworld believes a word of what you are saying.

so if we are all wrong and you are right, step up and show us the doc. It exists, it is by law public and the chances that it is not hosted on a dozen right wing sites is zero.

so either show us the charge or by the magic of my nose i declare you wrong.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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She didn't delete the emails, nor is there any evidence (as in, nothing, nada, zilch) that shows she instructed anyone to delete emails.
Well, you'd better tell that to Hillary because here she is on CNN talking about the 33,000 emails that were deleted (while under subpoena, I should add):

Hillary Clinton on how 33,000 emails got deleted - CNN Video

The problem with debating Leftists is that you spend half your time educating them about the things they think they know so well.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: NC
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The problem with debating Leftists is that you spend half your time educating them about the things they think they know so well.
That isnt the only problem with leftists. Even after you educate them they are still too stupid to know they are stupid.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If YOU know as fact that she committed a crime, then go after her. Other than that, you're peddling your opinion as well, and might I add, an opinion that most legal experts nor analysts don't agree with.

Oh, and about military personnel being convicted of the same thing.
Hilary was not in the military, and did not fall under the UCMJ, she was not a civilian either, she was the sitting US Secretary of State, privy to some of the most sensitive of classified material.

This was not a case where someone locked the vault and forgot to close one of the safes containing ComSec cypher codes or operation manuals for secret equipment.

She was the SECSTATE and exposed every classified discussion, every sketch, every photo, and every document that was either sent or received by her, via her private email account, over four years.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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dude why not prove it instead of just repeating yourself.

and frankly you should prove because nobody and i mean nobody outside of trumpworld believes a word of what you are saying.

so if we are all wrong and you are right, step up and show us the doc. It exists, it is by law public and the chances that it is not hosted on a dozen right wing sites is zero.

so either show us the charge or by the magic of my nose i declare you wrong.
She was investigated for mishandling documents......not "espionage" as some claim. It's one of the reasons why Comey and many legal experts agree, that under the current statue, it would be really tough to find her guilty of anything.

Merely saying she's guilty of a crime doesn't she would actually be found guilty of a crime. Comey claiming gross negligence doesn't mean she'd be found guilty of gross negligence.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well, you'd better tell that to Hillary because here she is on CNN talking about the 33,000 emails that were deleted (while under subpoena, I should add):

Hillary Clinton on how 33,000 emails got deleted - CNN Video

The problem with debating Leftists is that you spend half your time educating them about the things they think they know so well.
It's either wilful ignorance on their part, or they are such partisans, that they refuse to hear the truth, if it makes their politicians look bad.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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Well, you'd better tell that to Hillary because here she is on CNN talking about the 33,000 emails that were deleted (while under subpoena, I should add):

Hillary Clinton on how 33,000 emails got deleted - CNN Video

The problem with debating Leftists is that you spend half your time educating them about the things they think they know so well.
I just watched the video, and unless I missed it, I didn't hear anything about her instructing anyone to delete specific emails.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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She was investigated for mishandling documents......not "espionage" as some claim. It's one of the reasons why Comey and many legal experts agree, that under the current statue, it would be really tough to find her guilty of anything.

Merely saying she's guilty of a crime doesn't she would actually be found guilty of a crime. Comey claiming gross negligence doesn't mean she'd be found guilty of gross negligence.
The mishandling of classified material falls under the chapter titled espionage:

18 U.S. Code Chapter 37 - ESPIONAGE AND CENSORSHIP
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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Wrong. 18 U.S. Code § 793 (f) clearly cites gross negligence.

If you are entrusted with possession of classified material, it is a crime to mishandle that material by storing it in a non secure manner.

In other words, if the president or some federal agency entrusts you with the possession of a top secret memo, and you leave it in the bathroom, or a friends house, or any place else, where it is not properly secured, that is gross negligence, and it's a crime.

I served in the military for 22 years. I spent two years as my units classified material custodian. I had to ensure the security of all classified material, from Confidential to Top Secret. Every book, photo, memo, or sketch, is logged, tracked, with a chain of secure custody from and to every person authorized to view or possess such material. So I know what I'm talking about.
you realize that despite your hype Hillary is fine. dig dig dig and guess what nothing was found, there was not big stack of secret docs, there was nothing found. tens of thousands of docs and a few low level things slipped through. nothing any court would find to be an issue.

It must really suck , you guys can almost feel it, yet Hillary is absolutely fine. This is just Republicans abusing the system to muddy the waters. What will it be 100th investigation into Hillary?


20 years of attacking the Clintons whenever the Repubs find the spotlight on them.
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Old 01-05-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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That isnt the only problem with leftists. Even after you educate them they are still too stupid to know they are stupid.
Exactly right. They suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect
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