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Old 01-05-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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Healthy folks today could be sick folks on Monday. People don't know.

When people in a society share the same values on healthcare, individuals benefit when they need help.

That is what some Americans I have spoken to dont understand. They're too weird with their anti-socialism and anti-taxes obsession. It's all abstract trivial ideological nonsense. Its not logical.
Damn them and their desire to make choices on their own!
I disagree though, I believe most Americans share your viewpoint that politicians and bureaucrats should oversee their health care. After all, the fedguv didnt get as big as it is because folks resisted its intrusion into every aspect of their daily lives.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:01 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Close the borders and end the anchor baby policy and I may consider supporting some form of universal heath care. As it stands now though our rights and benefits become the world's rights and benefits, and we can't afford that.
DONE!

Not just yea, but HELL YEA.

Note: going forward. I do not believe in ex post facto removal of citizenship.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:06 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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As a Briton I have nothing but praise for the NHS, my Mrs has Muscular Dystrophy so I am often in the hospitals, nothing but good things to say about our own experiences. Of course care levels may differ at different times of the year or in 'other' parts of the country I don't know. I do notice though that many Americans are constantly trying to 'trash' the NHS, it seems to me that its these guys that are desperately trying to convince themselves of the US systems superiority?? Just as a side note why do so many Americans believe that the world is commie red socialist? Stop letting Trump brainwash you all! As another 'side note' if you did live in the UK and you thought the NHS was a commie red travesty you DO have options, you can go private here (and many do) if you want to.
The US health care industry BLOWS AWAY the NHS....*

*For the top .1%

Life is cake when you could buy a hospital.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:12 AM
 
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When in America has our medical community ever simultaneously canceled thousands upon thousands of surgeries due to the flu striking and the country facing a shortage of physicians? I've never heard of such a thing. Now I see people immediately rising to defend the NHS, rather than questioning how a healthy and robust system could allow such a thing to happen.

Elective surgery requires a lot of advance planning for most people. Their home lives and jobs are affected by their convalescence. Many people need to train someone to cover their job during their absence. Having your surgery date pulled out from under you because the medical system can't handle what is a predictable yearly event is extremely inconvenient for people - not to mention the extended suffering that many of them must endure until they can be treated. It's the sign of a system bursting at the seams and failing it's people. I'm not sure why people would rush to defend such a huge clusterf*** and not instead demand some answers from the NHS.
Not sure exactly but we sure had our hands full during the Spanish Flu early in the 1900s. Aproximately 500,000 americans died from the flu ---five hundred thousand people in one year alone...I'm sure that cancelled something along the way.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...return-to-1999

Wait times are are a chronic problem at the NHS. It is like a black hole. More and more money in, and it's gone. Higher salaries, more administrators, more people getting in each others way. That's the rule of single payer everywhere. Canada, too.

When you don't have to pay for something you take of much of it as you want. When you're not responsible for results, you don't produce any results.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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How does it suck? They are able to mobilize efforts to address a serious crisis that hasn't been seen in 30 years. This year's flu epidemic is a very bad one.

Furthermore, a primary problem with today's NHS is budget cuts. If you don't fund it, it doesn't work appropriately. It's a bunch of idiots who think single payer is a failure or unneeded despite empirical evidence that shows the exact opposite.
Well here in America and our so called horrible for profit insurance system does not have to choose between dealing with a flu epidemic and conducting surgeries.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:24 AM
 
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I like the idea of profit, it means being rewarded for a job well done. How much effort do you suppose those chinese doctors making $300 a month in their state run system put forth?
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:25 AM
 
Location: England
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/...return-to-1999

Wait times are are a chronic problem at the NHS. It is like a black hole. More and more money in, and it's gone. Higher salaries, more administrators, more people getting in each others way. That's the rule of single payer everywhere. Canada, too.

When you don't have to pay for something you take of much of it as you want. When you're not responsible for results, you don't produce any results.
Our hospitals have administrators....... they don't run themselves!....... Of course results are expected!....

No bean counters getting in the way of the doctors though..........

Oh gaaaaaaawd......... Another NHS expert. The thread is full of 'em!!
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:26 AM
 
Location: England
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I like the idea of profit, it means being rewarded for a job well done. How much effort do you suppose those chinese doctors making $300 a month in their state run system put forth?
Depends how far $300 goes in China........
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.
I see no issue with this. They are triaging to meet the needs of the people.

That's kind of the job of the medical profession.
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