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I’m not sure I understand this question. Lack of private rooms doesn’t mean the healthcare is poor. Not approving non essential procedures likewise doesn’t indicate poor care. These are both some reasons people under single payer might buy private insurance.
Private rooms are now approaching the standard of care because of privacy and infectious issues.
Medicare can provide quite extensive and beyond just 'basic' care. More than enough to 'get you by'. Medicare covers the vast majority of medical/surgical treatments. It may even be too lenient in this manner.
Yes, I'm aware of that as both my parents are on it and it has been phenomenal for them. I didn't mean to say the two systems were equal, but Medicare, like the NHS, has well-documented outlines for what they will offer as standard care. I believe both (Medicare and NHS) will provide full up coverage for any condition. But there is a reason that people with Medicare and NHS want to augment with private insurance.
How does it suck? They are able to mobilize efforts to address a serious crisis that hasn't been seen in 30 years. This year's flu epidemic is a very bad one.
Furthermore, a primary problem with today's NHS is budget cuts. If you don't fund it, it doesn't work appropriately. It's a bunch of idiots who think single payer is a failure or unneeded despite empirical evidence that shows the exact opposite.
right because a broken system that reports "running out of corridor space".... never mind even considering talking about ROOMS.... has nothing to do with the way a system is designed.
flu did it. not a system that lack the robust capacity to deal with some crisis or another.
good grief the lengths people will go to justify nonsense.
San Diego hospitals are setting up flu triage tents. 45 died so far.
Yikes!
Hubs and I avoided flu a couple weeks ago by having a stash of Tamliflu at home. Stuff works miracles.
A friend of mine in Canada said they held back treatment for a kidney issues with her husband. Her 'story'. But she neglects to say he was an 83 year old serious drunk. She might be in denial about it but the doctors weren't.
If they were in the US, I'm betting an insurance company would of denied treatment also.
Yeah I think treatment money should not be wasted on someone like that.
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right because a broken system that reports "running out of corridor space".... never mind even considering talking about ROOMS.... has nothing to do with the way a system is designed.
flu did it. not a system that lack the robust capacity to deal with some crisis or another.
good grief the lengths people will go to justify nonsense.
The NHS in England treats over 1 million people every 36 hours, carries out over 10.2 million operations and procedures every year and there are over 16 million inpatients every year, so 50,000 operations is only a tiny proportion of non-urgent operations and it should be noted that hospitals stop taking non-urgent cases and visitors to cut down on the spread of norovirus and types of flu.
As for funding there was an NHS Funding increase in the budget, whilst Social Care has also seen a budget increase.
Whilst your own US Commonwealth Health Fund carried out reseearch last year in relation to different heath care systems with the UK NHS being ranked number 1 and the US being ranked last, among the findings were that in the US 44 per cent of people on low incomes were found to have difficulty accessing healthcare, compared to just seven per cent in the UK.
right because a broken system that reports "running out of corridor space".... never mind even considering talking about ROOMS.... has nothing to do with the way a system is designed.
flu did it. not a system that lack the robust capacity to deal with some crisis or another.
good grief the lengths people will go to justify nonsense.
Very few medical centers ANYWHERE can accommodate hundreds of new patients above the regular amount.
Do you know how financially unsound that would be? Private, gov't... doesn't matter, no one runs a business to serve double the ordinary number of people on the off chance that once every 20 years there will an occasion.
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And this is what some idiots in the US want for the US.
Single payer sucks balls.
I am all for single payer.
The issue here is that a huge spike in flu is taking up all the beds. I would totally understand if my local hospital experienced a huge flu epidemic.
Personally, I would rather postpone my elective surgery rather than being under the same roof as all those flu germs!
The private health care system simply does not work when "consumers" are not informed. You cant shop around for the best value heart surgery when you're having a heart attack. Price gouging is rampant at all levels of the health care system, unnecessary treatments is also a common occurance. Just because they can earn more money that way.
If you honestly think a privatized system is so great, why has every other country rejected it?
It also doesn't work when the privately insured are kept in the dark about their coverage, and other sources of support.
June this year the Mrs. Received a bill for $250,000 "uninsured excess". For her treatment for anorectal cancer (which seems to have worked). This was on top of the $18,000 out of pocket we already paid. Fortunately we're financially separate, so she was eligible for funding, and had that $1/4 mill written off no harm no foul. However to find that out took me three weeks of pursuit of insurers, the hospital, various local, state, and private organizations. Then we got the filing in just before it was in arrears (which would have been grounds for refusal of the application). This was while my wife underwent chemo and radio therapy.
Now if I wasn't so savvy, and if I wasn't so determined, and if one of the people I discussed this with were less helpful, then the $250k would have been owed by my wife for her treatment, AFTER insurance, and probably if a judicial solution was sought I'd probably be on the hook and $250k is a decent chunk of change. I wouldn't mind, but in truth she was only in hospital for about 2 hours a week (across 5 days) or 12 total hours in 6 weeks (across this didn't include imaging or specialist fees).
So all in all, We paid around $25k for the treatment, and I paid $600pm excess on my policy for the insurance for years, they paid $18k for the treatment, and the hospital wrote off (was paid whatever) $250k. That's kind of a cosmic joke there.
I am all for single payer.
The issue here is that a huge spike in flu is taking up all the beds. I would totally understand if my local hospital experienced a huge flu epidemic. Personally, I would rather postpone my elective surgery rather than being under the same roof as all those flu germs!
Exactly.
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I am all for single payer.
The issue here is that a huge spike in flu is taking up all the beds. I would totally understand if my local hospital experienced a huge flu epidemic.
Personally, I would rather postpone my elective surgery rather than being under the same roof as all those flu germs!
Exactly. If you are at high risk like my wife with her lymphoma, or you are due for elective surgery stay away from people and wear your own mask. Postpone your surgery if you can until this flu season dies down. Or if possible have it some at some outpatient center.
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She might be in denial about it but the doctors weren't. 
