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Old 01-06-2018, 06:02 AM
 
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If only there were some mechanism to force them to pay for coverage that could then be used to charge for services rendered.

Is it too much to ask an able-bodied adult to pay $120 a month?

By the way, Medicaid does not pay for ER services unless that person is actually enrolled.

I want you to have faith in this, because it is a physical constant as certain as gravity. The hard sciences empirically observe that it is impossible to get Medicaid to pay for something it doesn't have to.

Otherwise, the hospital factors the receivable to a debt collector. Tom, Dick and Harry are now too broke to afford the Oxford comma and their credit rating includes a debt in collections.
Yeah, and the hospitals want to be compensated so they make sure to get those people enrolled. The cost that the hospital eats is then shifted to those of us who buy insurance.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Sorry but no, that is not correct.


United States market driven healthcare system means just that, as a whole this nation pays more for medications than elsewhere in world. Equally yes, because they can get away with it the sums extracted from the USA market goes to subsidize things elsewhere.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...0S61KU20151012


https://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...ist-explains-2


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-drug-prices/


This is why the US pays more for prescription drugs - Business Insider


The Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi costs about $1,000 *per pill* (or more) in USA. Meanwhile in India it is down to around $4/ea.
Your point is a non-sequitur. I'm not claiming the US pays less. What I'm stating is that research isn't limited to the US nor does the US have an exclusive lock on the most advanced treatments and procedures.

You pay more for the same pharmaceuticals, maybe that's something you want to look into. That's not the fault of the rest of the world. It's not subsidizing, in the sense you pay more for a drug so Bolivians can pay less. Your just getting shafted and claiming moral superiority that you're getting the shaft.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: England
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Oh here I'm thinking you guys moved onto gaslamps. Do you all still have the high tank pull chain toilets?
We have just moved to a high tank pull chain toilet. It's been fitted in the toilet in the back yard. Much better than the tippler toilet we had before. Still got cut up newspaper stuck on a nail though. Next step is the newfangled toilet rolls.........
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:35 AM
 
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We have just moved to a high tank pull chain toilet. It's been fitted in the toilet in the back yard. Much better than the tippler toilet we had before. Still got cut up newspaper stuck on a nail though. Next step is the newfangled toilet rolls.........
LOL I love having so much snark this early on a Saturday morning. It warms my cold dark heart.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: England
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LOL I love having so much snark this early on a Saturday morning. It warms my cold dark heart.
Snark, or sarcasm is an English speciality....... I don't like to use it too much on c-d, because I know it upsets some folks. We do it all the time at each other here in England. Practise makes perfect.......

I am tempted when threads about the NHS start. The ignorance displayed is astounding, and that starts my sarcastic nature up..........

Many Americans never even see the outside of America, never mind the inside of a NHS hospital. I have, and do. I was all over our local hospital last year following my wife's mother around as she had an operation on her hip, and then the recovery afterwards. I was as proud of the NHS as I have ever been in my life. The way they looked after a 91 year old woman was great to see.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:49 AM
 
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Non essential surgeries have been postponed due to an epidemic. That can happen anywhere. It has nothing to do with single payer. You are being intellectually dishonest, Frank.

And besides, how would our market based system handle this situation? Oh yeah...the people who can't afford medical care wouldn't be in the hospital anyway so there would be no shortage of beds. Those people would be at home dying, just like the Republicans would like them to do.
This is a ridiculous mischaracterization but it's the sort of thing that the Cult will pass around and spin up into a fantasy about the horrors of single payer. The last part of your statement is undoubtedly true. Corporate "health care", particularly insurance companies would LOVE it if the high risk patients would go away. They are a threat to the bottom line without a doubt.

The opposition to single payer, social security and even Medicare are driven by nothing more complex than simple greed.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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Snark, or sarcasm is an English speciality....... I don't like to use it too much on c-d, because I know it upsets some folks. We do it all the time at each other here in England. Practise makes perfect.......

I am tempted when threads about the NHS start. The ignorance displayed is astounding, and that starts my sarcastic nature up..........

Many Americans never even see the outside of America, never mind the inside of a NHS hospital. I have, and do. I was all over our local hospital last year following my wife's mother around as she had an operation on her hip, and then the recovery afterwards. I was as proud of the NHS as I have ever been in my life. The way they looked after a 91 year old woman was great to see.
Thanks for bringing some real perspective into the forum. Embarrassed to say it but you are absolutely correct about many of my fellow Americans. We'd like to hear more about the NHS from your outlook since most of us have no direct experience.

Have you seen American health care? What are some of the comparisons in quality? Is the UK taxation rate onerous or reasonable?
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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The Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi costs about $1,000 *per pill* (or more) in USA. Meanwhile in India it is down to around $4/ea.
Is it the identical pill? Or is it an illegal knock off generic, and without the same effectiveness as our $1000 pill?
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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A state of emergency due to a severe flu epidemic.

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The chaos follows a rise in flu cases when many hospitals were already close to capacity, with high numbers of frail patients stuck on wards for want of social care.

By Tuesday night 12 NHS trusts - including two ambulance services covering almost nine million people - had declared they had reached the maximum state of emergency.

One ambulance trust resorted to taxis to ferry patients to hospital, while another asked patients to find a family member to get them to hospital, with paramedics stuck outside A&E units in record numbers.
NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis
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Old 01-06-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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what does non-essential mean and who determines the meaning? I dont want my health care to determined by the whims of bureaucrats.
You won't die without it.
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