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Old 01-07-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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The given price tag is 18 billion over 10 years. We give that much or more every single year in foreign aid to countries that don't respect or outright hate us. It's funny to me that while our government wastes colossal amounts of money on so many other frivolous and ridiculous projects, we only hear the left complaining when the money is actually going to be spent on something that might actually benefit our country. Sure, the wall will not completely solve the problem. But it will add another layer of security for our country.


Oh, and just so you know, there is more than one way to make Mexico pay for this wall. It does not have to be an outright and immediate exchange of money from their hands to ours. Mexico could easily be made to pay for the border wall with just a few tweaks to certain policies involving taxation and tariffs.
That $18 billion is only a down payment on the massive amount of money a wall is going to cost. It will cover a mere 316 miles of the 2,000 miles of border. Do the math and then come back and tell us what it's really going to cost taxpayers. And that's not counting the cost of the myriad of lawsuits that the project will face regarding the government's ham-handed use of eminent domain in an attempt to steal property from U.S. citizens.

$18 billion is a drop in the bucket of what this black hole of a project will cost in the long run, to say nothing of the massive amount of money it will require to maintain in perpetuity.

And tariffs will hurt Americans more than they'll hurt Mexico, who will simply take their business elsewhere. Yeah, that's showing them, all right, huh? Good grief, what utter nonsense.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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That $18 billion is only a down payment on the massive amount of money a wall is going to cost. It will cover a mere 316 miles of the 2,000 miles of border. Do the math and then come back and tell us what it's really going to cost taxpayers. And that's not counting the cost of the myriad of lawsuits that the project will face regarding the government's ham-handed use of eminent domain in an attempt to steal property from U.S. citizens.

$18 billion is a drop in the bucket of what this black hole of a project will cost in the long run, to say nothing of the massive amount of money it will require to maintain in perpetuity.

And tariffs will hurt Americans more than they'll hurt Mexico, who will simply take their business elsewhere. Yeah, that's showing them, all right, huh? Good grief, what utter nonsense.
Think of how it will help poor citizens who are having to compete against illegals in emergency rooms.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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You can not have a battle of wits with unarmed people.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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So you’re saying Mexico isn’t paying for the wall?
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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The given price tag is 18 billion over 10 years. We give that much or more every single year in foreign aid to countries that don't respect or outright hate us. It's funny to me that while our government wastes colossal amounts of money on so many other frivolous and ridiculous projects, we only hear the left complaining when the money is actually going to be spent on something that might actually benefit our country. Sure, the wall will not completely solve the problem. But it will add another layer of security for our country.


Oh, and just so you know, there is more than one way to make Mexico pay for this wall. It does not have to be an outright and immediate exchange of money from their hands to ours. Mexico could easily be made to pay for the border wall with just a few tweaks to certain policies involving taxation and tariffs.

The left insists on taking everything literally ... when they can use it in their single-minded effort to make Trump look bad.

In the real world, the U.S. imports over $300B per year in goods from Mexico, with virtually no tariffs (under NAFTA). Part of renegotiating NAFTA to make it more favorable to the U.S. should include a tariff to help keep U.S. manufacturing more competitive. A one-time 10-percent Tariff on goods imported from Mexico could produce/save over $30B per year! -- Thus, getting Mexico to pay for an $18B wall (+/-) is really not that complicated, except for those who refuse to look beyond their own immediate assumptions. (I'm not saying this is the 'only' way to do it, but the blind insistence of some that Mexico must write the U.S. an $18B check to pay for the wall, is self-inflicted blindness).

https://qz.com/896482/everything-the...iff-collected/
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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Mexico could easily be made to pay for the border wall with just a few tweaks to certain policies involving taxation and tariffs.
Nice and concrete. I can tell a lot of research has gone into that.

And what a brilliant plan, adding taxes and tariffs to the US' 3rd largest goods trading partners. No way that's going to have US economic consequences. Particularly what with a trade deficit of, oh, 50 billions or so. Tariffs on the US' 300+ billion of imports? Who, exactly, do you think will pay those?

This is a case where Trump is actually smarter than his fans - he avoids any hint of specifics.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:01 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The given price tag is 18 billion over 10 years. We give that much or more every single year in foreign aid to countries that don't respect or outright hate us..........
Part of the problem is that we conservatives won't get 10 years. Eventually progressives will get control back and tear down The Wall, even if it costs a lot to do it.

They will claim it wasn't doing anything, anyway, and tearing it down is necessary so that the world will respect us again.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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Mexico would promptly slap a tariff on imports from US.
$240 billion give or take.

Costs would go up. Trade would go down. Corporations would have fit.

China is already making deals in Mexico. They would love it.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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A one-time 10-percent Tariff on goods imported from Mexico could produce/save over $30B per year!
And that money would come from - where? From US companies and consumers, who are the ones buying Mexico's stuff. Nobody in Mexico pays anything if you add a tariff on Mexican goods. The people buying the goods do. Is this complicated?

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Thus, getting Mexico to pay for an $18B wall (+/-) is really not that complicated
There's a saying about the type of mind to which all things are simple.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Boston
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there should be administrative fees people who cross the border should pay.
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