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Ever been to Africa? Some of the kindest people you'll ever meet in your life.
Not to defend Trump, but I doubt his opposition to third world immigration has much of anything to do with how kind he thinks the immigrants might be. He is concerned about the potential burden on social services (which contrary to the perception of many, America does have), and also his image with the xenophobic portion of his voting base.
I would guess his use of the term '****hole countries' has more to do with his opinion of what a citizen of a ****hole country can offer in terms of economic growth which is very little if he or she is an uneducated laborer with 10 relatives tagging along on his "family" visa.
Do I think Trump is racist?
Yes. In the casual way of many 70+ year old Americans who grew up in posh luxury in a fortified tower in a mega city, insulated and oblivious to the lives and concerns of his countrymen and women of any race, religious, or creed. People used to mock president George Bush, Sr. for his wild guess at a journalist's question as to whether he knew the cost of a gallon of milk. Trump is on a whole other level, another galaxy, of thought and experience. He is like a home schooled kid given millions to play with.
Does his view on race impact immigration?
Only inasmuch as it affects his popularity with his base, which is well fleshed out with an undercurrent of xenophobia and outright racist views. But I believe that if Trump thought an influx of 10,000 Haitians would somehow raise American stock and his own personal fortunes, he'd roll out a golden carpet for them. And as long as he didn't have to rub elbows with them. Unless they were super classy and liked golden napkin rings and golden toilet bowl flush levers like he does.
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Originally Posted by treasurefinder
All of my African friends are very successful, with advanced degrees. But go ahead Trump and perpetuate the myth.
All of my African friends are successful, too. I met them mostly at university, where potentially successful people meet.
I have also been to Africa, albeit a small portion of the continent, mostly East Africa, Tanzania and Kenya, but Morrocco, too. Very kind people. Also, people with backgrounds and cultural norms that would require a great effort of reflection and change in order to adapt to the norms of American society.
China does not have a high opinion of any African nation.
China is in Africa to rape Africa.
I don't disagree and believe you are correct. They are smart enough though not to denigrate the entire continent in an open forum with the world listening.
I don't disagree and believe you are correct. They are smart enough though not to denigrate the entire continent in an open forum with the world listening.
But what if countries like Haiti **ARE** sh*tholes?
It's nice to have a President who tells it like it is at last. Trump was a construction guy from New York, that's the way many of them talk. And we knew that when we voted for him.
And in this case, they speak the truth.
Yet the Trump-haters continually feign "surprise" and "outrage", as they do every time Trump acts like Trump.
Haiti has had more natural disasters, it seems, per person that almost every other nation on earth. That's not their fault. The destructions and death tolls have been horrible.
Thy also get massive aid, before and after. The United States is the principal benefactor, and we don't begrudge them a penny. (Where are the other countries who criticize the US for being "heartless" or "stingy"? How much are they contributing to help out?)
Parts of Haiti get rebuilt, sometimes, after each disaster. But much of the island remains poor, broken-down, disease-ridden, even years or decades afterward, despite the massive aid from countries like the U.S.
Yes, it's very tough, after the disasters they have had. But do they have something better to do than rebuild and help themselves, in the years following the latest disaster (such as the earthquake of 2010), especially with the massive aid?
Haiti is, in fact, a sh*thole. President Trump was speaking no more than the truth. Crudely, but appropriately. The Haitians are struggling to live, but not so much to rebuild. They seem to want no more than more alms from countries like America, to stave off the disease, homelessness and starvation that never seem to recede in much of the land, even years later.
There's a name for countries like that. What's wrong with the President telling the truth and naming it?
What's wrong with calling a country an S-hole? It's called having respect for other people's countries. It's called having some empathy. It's called not being an a-hole. You can say "Haiti is in bad shape". You say "Haiti is a hard place to live". People will get the point. But when you literally insult another person's country, that just screams bigot.
If what you were looking for was a candidate who was crass, coarse, and vulgar, then we have alot of problems right here in America. Answer this. Did Trump really have to say that? Could Trump not get his point across any other way than being coarse, vulgar, and bigoted? What was the point of being vulgar and insulting?
I've also heard them call Trump all kinds of nasty names such as Orangeman, Cheeto and far worse. What a bunch of hypocrites they are. Trump states the truth about some countries and they get their panties all in a wad and immediately pull the race card. A country isn't a race it's a piece of land.
People that have immigrated from 'those countries' have a higher rate of advanced degree's, professional positions, and generally more civic minded than their counterparts.
But that part is lost on Trump supporters.
My family doctor when I was a kid was from India- came to the US in the early 70's. Wonderful man still practicing medicine. My son recently met with a group of Kenyan's that traveled to the US to work with 'Engineers without Borders'. He has an open invitation to work in Kenya- their friendship and openness impressed my son. And they are devout, practicing Christians.
Not sure what 'truth' you are alluding to- the one you want to believe, or the one that is true.
It's kinda funny- illiterate, poor, whites just soak up what Trump says, when in reality they live in conditions no better than the places he referred to as '****holes'. I know- I lived in WV for 15 years.
There are those who say "Trump only said that to troll the liberals". Anyone who wants a President who loves angering people, making enemies for himself, and trolling people is only showing how petulant and unstable they can be.
I get that we should have merit based immigration. We should control our borders and enforce the immigration laws we have. Trump could have easily said that. Instead, he took the route of a bully. How hard is that to comprehend?
As for it being a racist comment, it is far from it. He was talking about countries. It amazes me how people try to spin things for their agenda and to find a reason to get angry.
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