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Old 01-12-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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What does established science say about when a cell becomes a human being?
When a being has its own heartbeat and a circulatory system - that's when it becomes a human being.

What happens when all humans die? The heartbeat stops. The circulatory system ceases to function.

 
Old 01-12-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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yep that will work. The first recorded induced abortion was in 1550 BC. Its been an issue since then. Do some reading on the history of infanticide and neonaticide and filicide. And baby farming.




And currently, what about all the drug addicted babies, the abandoned babies/children, the physically and sexually abused babies/children, the neglected babies/children.
At any given day ~428,000 children are in foster care, there are 107,918 children in foster care waiting to be adopted. ~1700 children die each year from child abuse/neglect, there are roughly 2.9 million cases of reported child abuse per year. An estimated 13,589 babies/year are born with NAS.
Roughly 2.7 million children are being raised by their grandparents. Over 40% of births are to unmarried women (do men believe life matters).

But we just need to get women back to believing life mattered. That will fix everything.
You can go back in history to prove/disprove any statement. There was slavery back then, too, so does that mean you support slavery today? Or have you realized it was WRONG THEN and so it is WRONG NOW? Just because something happened does not make it right. If your dad beat you, does that make it OK for you to beat your children?

Believing life matters CAN fix everything.

There will be no use for foster care, as women will have children with good men.

There will be no child abuse as women will understand it is wrong.

Children will be born to fathers who are loving and present. How do I know this?
Because women who believe that life matters will CHOOSE WISELY when procreating. They will choose good men.

Thanks for the opportunity to explain why morals matter and how it improves life.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 08:43 AM
 
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If you don't like abortion don't have one. Or move to Saudi Arabia where it's still illegal.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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If you don't like abortion don't have one. Or move to Saudi Arabia where it's still illegal.
Kinda like if you don't believe in spanking, you don't do it.

But feel it is perfectly acceptable for other parents to smack their kids around and support their ability to do that 150%, wholeheartedly.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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You can go back in history to prove/disprove any statement. There was slavery back then, too, so does that mean you support slavery today? Or have you realized it was WRONG THEN and so it is WRONG NOW? Just because something happened does not make it right. If your dad beat you, does that make it OK for you to beat your children?
Slavery has nothing to do with this topic. The point is abortion, infanticide, child abuse, child labor and in general lack of believing life matters has been human nature since the beginnings. But since you brought up slavery it is still going on today.

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Believing life matters CAN fix everything.

There will be no use for foster care, as women will have children with good men.

There will be no child abuse as women will understand it is wrong.

Children will be born to fathers who are loving and present. How do I know this?
Because women who believe that life matters will CHOOSE WISELY when procreating. They will choose good men.
Im not even sure how to respond to this except if wishes were horses then beggars would ride or if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts on the ground.
I just cant grasp that anyone believes that all humanity is under the complete control of women. If only women were omnipotent, unaffected by the emotions and hormones or flaws of humankind and in complete control of society, laws and government and thus procreation the world would be rid of hate, abandonment, abuse, neglect, poverty, despair, drug addiction.
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Thanks for the opportunity to explain why morals matter and how it improves life.
Thanks for the laugh.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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When a being has its own heartbeat and a circulatory system - that's when it becomes a human being.

What happens when all humans die? The heartbeat stops. The circulatory system ceases to function.
By that logic, a person with an artificial heart is a robot. That artificial heart could be pumping blood through a corpse and again, by that logic, you would have to say the corpse is alive.

The heart is just a muscle that pumps blood, there is nothing inherently special or magical about it. Fetishizing the heart as some magical definition of humanity is kindergarten logic.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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Im not even sure how to respond to this except if wishes were horses then beggars would ride or if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts on the ground.
I just cant grasp that anyone believes that all humanity is under the complete control of women. If only women were omnipotent, unaffected by the emotions and hormones or flaws of humankind and in complete control of society, laws and government and thus procreation the world would be rid of hate, abandonment, abuse, neglect, poverty, despair, drug addiction.
It's typical Neanderthal thinking. If women would just do what I say, the world would be a place of sunshine and lollipops.

Some posters are not worth the effort to respond to.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Slavery has nothing to do with this topic. The point is abortion, infanticide, child abuse, child labor and in general lack of believing life matters has been human nature since the beginnings. But since you brought up slavery it is still going on today.


Im not even sure how to respond to this except if wishes were horses then beggars would ride or if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts on the ground.
I just cant grasp that anyone believes that all humanity is under the complete control of women. If only women were omnipotent, unaffected by the emotions and hormones or flaws of humankind and in complete control of society, laws and government and thus procreation the world would be rid of hate, abandonment, abuse, neglect, poverty, despair, drug addiction.


Thanks for the laugh.
Your point was because something happened in 1550 BC that means its OK to have the same behavior now.

That logic is laughable. I was using your logic as far as the slavery example. I could have also said the there were no antibiotics then so we shouldn't use them now. Same logic.

Women do hold all the power as far as raising families and creating HUMAN BEINGS. Ask any man.

Your inability to see this shows you do not understand how life is created and do not value human life.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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It's typical Neanderthal thinking. If women would just do what I say, the world would be a place of sunshine and lollipops.

Some posters are not worth the effort to respond to.
I'm female.

But thanks for the assumption.
 
Old 01-12-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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When a woman has an abortion, she has made a choice to classify this entity within her body as "unwanted fetal tissue" and nobody much cares what happens to "unwanted fetal tissue."

When a woman chooses to carry a pregnancy through to birth, she has made a choice to classify this entity within her body as "unborn child" and everyone cares a great deal about what happens to "unborn child."

Nobody cares if you blow smoke into a petri dish containing some sort of cellular mass, but they'd happily kick your arse up around your ears if they saw you blowing smoke in the face of a 3 year old. Pregnant women get the choice t classify what it is they have in their uterus, and once they make that choice, people get pretty serious about saying "OK, that's what that thing is now, since you chose."
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