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Sometimes medications are not taken for a variety of reasons :the patients can not afford them, forgot, or were nauseated. Once a mentally ill patient gets off their medication schedule, it becomes a vicious cycle for them. The more they are off meds, the less oriented, the less oriented, the less likely they will take their meds. Common problem among the mentally ill.
Which is what happened to her most likely. News story says she refused meds and was kicked out of the facility she was living in.
And none of us know the full story..how did she end up in the hospital ? How did she act in the hospital ?
Maybe, just maybe she demanded to be let go.
There's a whole lot more to this story than a 2 minute video and none of us know what it is.
People need to pay for their own stuff and not rely on others.
If they don’t have the money, not my problem nor society’s problem.
Well let's just hope you never fall into a situation where you need society's help.
The reality is, we are all vulnerable to failure in life. It doesn't matter how prepared and self-sufficient you think you are, sometimes things don't go according to plan and you need help.
Sometimes medications are not taken for a variety of reasons :the patients can not afford them, forgot, or were nauseated. Once a mentally ill patient gets off their medication schedule, it becomes a vicious cycle for them. The more they are off meds, the less oriented, the less oriented, the less likely they will take their meds. Common problem among the mentally ill.
But not with this person. She's on Medicaid, her entire existence is subsidized by your tax dollars.
Look, I work in residential settings with this population. They are all on Medicaid. They all go to every dr you can imagine. They are all part of the community. They go on more social outings than most people. Each one costs the gvt a minimum of 150k/yr just for the living situation.
The issue is that unless they are low functioning and have either a family member or state worker advocate, they are allowed to do what they want. If she refuses meds, I can try to advise her otherwise but I can't punish her bc she's an adult. I can't say, if you don't take the meds, you can't watch tv or go on the outing.
This person cannot forget to take her meds, they are distributed by med certified staff.
These homes are nice and more pleasant than you'd think. There's no nurse Ratchett bs.
One thing you learn from working with this population is that while they need assistance, they don't need caregivers. It's not a nursing home. You're not being empathetic when you vilify the hospital, you're enabling her. Mentally ill people who are never confronted with natural consequences will not be forced to take responsibility for their lives.
Critical thinking should tell you that the hospital put this vulnerable woman in danger by dumping her out at night in the heart of a large city almost naked in below freezing temps.
She has a right to dress poorly for weather just as you can. She has the freedom to make terrible choices just like you can. If she wants to refuse help, then that's her right.
Some of you think Obama gave me HC ... the Affordable Care Act is a tax and the plan my wife and I had last year now is 6 times higher per month with less coverage cause it was all we could afford.
We are responsible ...
We pay our own bills...
If you can't afford or not able to pay for something means you shouldn't get it period
HC is not a right neither is laziness ...
Working people shouldn't have to subsidise for those who have wasted their time on this Earth ...
She didn't have family? Sorry to hear that, but I'll bet you are WRONG, and she had plenty of family nearby that should have handled the situation early on.
You people mistakenly think gummint programs and taxpayer dollars absolve you of being responsible for your own.
We see it. Believe me, we see it!
Your threat of imposing Socialism on America will only solidify our resistance.
Good grief, regardless of what choices she's made or whether her family can be of assistance, she was clearly in no condition to take care of herself.
I worked on Crisis Response Teams for years and I know first hand how frustrating it is to deal with people who won't take their meds, who can't take care of themselves, who spout nonsense, who bite their tongue and spit blood at you, ...
But you don't shove them out in the cold with no shoes or clothes on.
She was not compliant with her medications. Should she not be responsible for that?
In terms of people released from psychiatric hospitals in the UK many are subject to Community Treatment Orders (CTO)
A CTO means you have to have supervised treatment when you leave hospital. The Conditions of the CTO are designed to protect you from harming yourself or other people. They can include where you will live or where you will get treatment, and medication to control your condition will be part of the treatment programme.
If you break the conditions of your CTO you can be brought back to hospital. Your responsible clinician can bring you back if they think that you are unwell. They can keep you in hospital for up to 72 hours while they decide what should happen next.
So refuse treatment or medication and you will be readmitted to a secure unit.
In the US it seems many people think it's the families responsibility to somehow treat such people rather than medical professionals, given some of the posts here.
I find that quite strange as it's in societies own interest not to have delusional or psychotic people wandering the streets in the interest of the safety of others and indeed themselves. It also should be noted that the mentally ill and homeless often either have no family or are estranged from their families, indeed many took to the streets to escape abusive families.
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