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This plan is so convoluted that at the end of the day there will be about 4 people not covered by one exception or another.
This is what I call a nothing burger.
Yep, the overwhelming vast majority will still be covered and the politicians can still say "look at what we did", which is basically nothing. The governor needs to get a job.
Sounds good.
Wonder how it will play out.
I do not agree with the people exempted from it though, except for the elderly and full time students.
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“Kentucky received the green light Friday to require many of its Medicaid recipients to work in order to receive coverage.
The Bluegrass State thus becomes the first state to act on the Trump administration’s unprecedented change that could affect millions of low-income people receiving benefits.
Under the new rule, adults age 19 to 64 must complete 80 hours of "community engagement" per month to keep their care. That includes working a job, going to school, taking a job-training course or volunteering.
"There is dignity associated with earning the value of something that you receive," Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin said. "The vast majority of men and women, able-bodied men and women ... they want the dignity associated with being able to earn and have engagement."
“Kentuckians also will be required to pay up to $15 a month for their insurance, with basic dental and vision being eliminated entirely. However, those benefits can be earned back through a rewards program, such as getting an annual physical, completing a diabetes or weight management course or participating in an anti-smoking program.
The change was approved Friday by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.”
“Bevin’s office also stated in its proposal to Washington that the move will save taxpayers more than $300 million over the next five years, and estimated that up to 95,000 people could lose their benefits because they either didn’t comply with the new rule or they obtained jobs that pay too much money and push them out of the low-income bracket.
However, there are some exemptions to the work requirements that will be enforced starting in July and remain in effect for five years. Pregnant women, full-time students, former foster care youth, primary caregivers of children and the elderly and full-time students will not be affected.”
hopefully this gets challenged in court. This is merely the beginning of an attempt achieve the goal of turning the poor into serfs... if left unchecked we will see Republicans bringing back privately owned "poor houses".
Where is it that all these people will be required to work or put in community service? Many of them would be more trouble than they would be worth. They may be hostile and uncooperative and do little useful work. The burden on the agencies that would have to provide duties for them, could be great. It may be about as effective, as trying to herd cats. But let them go ahead and learn the hard way, how unproductive such a program could be. The whole thing is just to make a big political show, anyway.
80 hours seems excessive for a single person. That's $800/month at $10/hour. Seems like a high premium.
Eta I'm basing this on if they are working at a volunteer job
80 hours seems excessive for a single person. That's $800/month at $10/hour. Seems like a high premium.
There are very few places around here in KY that pay $10/hour. Lucky to get $8/hour.
And places don't want to hire you if you've been without a job for six months or more usually. The longer you're unemployed, the less likely an employer will offer you a job to take.
Where is it that all these people will be required to work or put in community service? Many of them would be more trouble than they would be worth. They may be hostile and uncooperative and do little useful work. The burden on the agencies that would have to provide duties for them, could be great. It may be about as effective, as trying to herd cats. But let them go ahead and learn the hard way, how unproductive such a program could be. The whole thing is just to make a big political show, anyway.
They are already requiring this for food stamps. Community service jobs are extremely hard to find, and a lot of these places require the applicant to pay for a background check here in KY. There is such a high demand for these volunteer positions (can't just volunteer anywhere, has to be government approved), that most applicants are turned down for even volunteer jobs. An example is a government funded library. Here is the application for one place in KY:
Note that the applicant 18 or older has to pay them $20 for the background check, but there's no guarantee they'll be selected. So, the applicant is without income, being threatened with having food stamps/medicaid taken away if they don't at least volunteer somewhere, but they have to come up with $$$ just to give their labor away for free. The library, as well as the other "approved" community service locations, rarely hires paid positions and depends on this free labor they get from the desperate people. So, many of these applicants get turned down (because there's only so many openings even to give your labor away) for being an improper "fit" and have to pay for the privilege of the rejection to their detriment. There is no exception for those unable to find employment/community service. They get cut off as if they never tried at all. It's been a while since I looked at the volunteer requirements for these places (back when the food stamp requirements went into effect) and the library was the only one I recalled the name of to show an example of what I'm talking about.
They are already requiring this for food stamps. Community service jobs are extremely hard to find, and a lot of these places require the applicant to pay for a background check here in KY. There is such a high demand for these volunteer positions (can't just volunteer anywhere, has to be government approved), that most applicants are turned down for even volunteer jobs. An example is a government funded library. Here is the application for one place in KY:
Note that the applicant 18 or older has to pay them $20 for the background check, but there's no guarantee they'll be selected. So, the applicant is without income, being threatened with having food stamps/medicaid taken away if they don't at least volunteer somewhere, but they have to come up with $$$ just to give their labor away for free. The library, as well as the other "approved" community service locations, rarely hires paid positions and depends on this free labor they get from the desperate people. So, many of these applicants get turned down (because there's only so many openings even to give your labor away) for being an improper "fit" and have to pay for the privilege of the rejection to their detriment. There is no exception for those unable to find employment/community service. They get cut off as if they never tried at all. It's been a while since I looked at the volunteer requirements for these places (back when the food stamp requirements went into effect) and the library was the only one I recalled the name of to show an example of what I'm talking about.
Right, they will have requirements that are impossible for everyone to adhere to even if they want to. It's a scheme to kick vulnerable people off and let them go without health care. Which then leads to more expense of course when they get really sick because of lack of treatment.
Right, they will have requirements that are impossible for everyone to adhere to even if they want to. It's a scheme to kick vulnerable people off and let them go without health care. Which then leads to more expense of course when they get really sick because of lack of treatment.
Yes, while they are labeled as "lazy bums" at the same time.
They are talking of making these as rules for government assisted housing too. So, if that happens (only talked about so far), then people will be thrown into the street because society views them as too worthless for even menial employment.
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