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Merit-based immigration is Koch-speak for bringing in cheap labor to compete and replace America's educated class in the same way that illegals and free trade did with our working class.
I actually agree surprise, surprise, suprise. But what is the better alternative? To completely shut down mass immigration, yes. But no one wants to do that.
But the plan to cut immigration by up to a half and make it merit based is still way better than our present policies. And the American lower class and bottom certainly need and deserve a break from mass immigration of foreign lower class.
Repped. Back when Emma Lazzarus wrote that line there weren’t generational welfare, free healthcare and terrorism. There also weren’t 300+ million people here.
We live in a different time now. We can’t continually import the rest of the world (along with all their problems) into this country without degrading our own living standards.
Yes, we have our own homegrown problems and we have all we can manage with the humanitarian immigrants from the countries we have blown to smithereens.
If we can't import the best and the brightest with thorough and proper vetting; the rest will just have to do the best they can to change their conditions where they are.
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Heres the story of one Australians attempt to legally immigrate to the USA =
Back when and where? Western European countries were building empires before America was first settled even going way back to 1609. Britain and Western Europe were not s-holes. Most of my ancestors from the British Isle may have been mostly relatively poor, but they had for the era substantial rights as English persons/subjects and were relatively wealthy, skilled and educated vs the rest of the world. They came to a America a stone age s-hole really just a wild frontier compared to where they came from and built it into a great nation. Basically what was the rest of the world in 1600? Crazy talk.
Back when and where? I'm thinking late 1800's till the depression, when most immigrants arrived in the US. Ireland was a ****hole during a lot of that time as was Germany, our two biggest emigre countries of origin and the ones my ancestors came from.
Doesn't the right consider most of Europe to be a socialist, muslim ridden ****hole these days too?
Back when and where? I'm thinking late 1800's till the depression, when most immigrants arrived in the US. Ireland was a ****hole during a lot of that time as was Germany, our two biggest emigre countries of origin and the ones my ancestors came from.
Doesn't the right consider most of Europe to be a socialist, muslim ridden ****hole these days too?
Ireland had its problems some of it due to Britain, but I would not characterize Germany or Ireland as relatively s-holes at the time. None of my ancestors came in the late 1880's and onward and most of those immigrants were from Eastern and Southern Europe and I'm not too much of a fan of 1880-1920 immigration surge, but none of that holds a candle to the s-hole origins of mass globalized immigration today.
Ireland had its problems some of it due to Britain, but I would not characterize Germany or Ireland as relatively s-holes at the time. None of my ancestors came in the late 1880's and onward and most of those immigrants were from Eastern and Southern Europe and I'm not too much of a fan of 1880-1920 immigration surge, but none of that holds a candle to the s-hole origins of mass globalized immigration today.
I think the people who spent their life savings coming across the pond would disagree with you. And the fact they did so in such numbers strengthens the argument.
I'm curious what you think the problem is if it isn't the people living there. Do you just mean their governments are stifling the citizens potential? If so, I'd agree.
The hard working people who leave, do so because they don't like operating in a system rife with corruption and graft. Neither would I. Neither did my ancestors who came here.
I'm glad that we finally have a president that doesn't think the US should be a dumpster for the rest of the world to deposit their trash. Is anyone else tired of the endless torrent of perpetual welfare collectors and criminals pouring into this country? I know I am.
Absolutely. In the prime Ellis Island days, no employment offer before you hit the mainland equaled turn around, go home.
Countries 'sending' people is an alt-right myth, as is the claim that immigrants come here for welfare. No one is sending anyone. People come on their own to look for a better future. The Europeans who came here in the past, came to work, and same is true today. The labor force participation rates for immigrants are higher than US born citizens.
Certainly in some of those opiod ridden red states.
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No liberal, me included, would say they aren't. We might use kinder words but the economics are fact and us libs like facts and reality and all the stuff that makes you righties uncomfortable.
That doesn't make the people from them ****ty, however. That's the distinction that you conservatives don't get.
Exactly. My doctor is from India. Friends of mine when my son was little were both from India; both doctors; both working in underserved areas. One of my co-wokers, extremely creative, works in our training center.
Buncha LOSERS!
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Maybe we can trade all those winners for our losers. Appalachia, pack your bags!
There are some I would trade and that's a fact.
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