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Old 01-15-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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I fully support the continued research into alternative energy sources. Things like this are easy to see through. Batteries have to be recharged. We are nowhere close to solar conversion of this kind yet. We are doing better all the time and there is nothing wrong with someone pushing us away from old technologies but to recharge batteries takes N.G. electric generation.

N.G. combined with batteries is cleaner than many of the old ways and in that, it is good.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: USA
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This. Batteries have very toxic chemicals that can contaminate the land and water.
They actually dont even bring that up, as if just saying the word "battery" replacing "Natural gas" fixes everything Natural gas burns very clean compared to oil and gasoline, so its a bit odd that they would attack Natural gas.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Cut the pipelines, stop the sale of natural gas and power from other states to CA. Let them survive their own foolishness without taking down the rest of the grid.

The whole problem is coming about due to the instability of renewable power. When solar production drops, other, standby sources have to be brought online to meet the demand. However, these backups are not owned or operated by the heavily subsidised alternative energy industry. Owners of conventional plants are on the hook.

The problem...those magic batteries they are counting on...don't exist.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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Interesting. I can see why this may work in California, they have the sunlight and resources to possibly make this change.

Meanwhile I don’t see this happening in my area. Natural gas is used to heat homes and seeing as its currently 13 below 0, we need that heat. Electric/baseboard heat is simply not as reliable as natural gas. However last time I checked my state as a whole was one of the top in the nation for utilizing wind power. I know my own power company gets about 30% if it’s power from wind and is continuously expanding.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I found this quite interesting--California is leading the charge to kick fossil fuel power generation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gas-in-america

"California, the state that helped birth the global boom in battery-toting electric vehicles, is trying to spark a similar transformation for utilities. And that spells trouble for power plants all across the U.S. that run on natural gas.
The California Public Utilities Commission approved an order Thursday that will require PG&E Corp., the state’s biggest utility, to change the way it supplies power when demand peaks. Instead of relying on electricity from three gas-fired plants run by Calpine Corp., PG&E will have to use batteries or other non-fossil fuel resources to keep the lights on in the most-populated U.S. state."
What type of batteries? They never got into that in the article.

We only have a finite amount of exotic minerals on the planet, and materials like lithium are not practical to recyclable.

Let's say we were able to use lithium battery storage for the electric grid, it would significantly drive up costs for electricity. The USA has the wealth and power to do anything we set our minds to, but should our throw-away culture be plundering the planets resources yet again?
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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You are an example why the Left is so ignorant. Trump is not touting the benefits of coal or dismissing other alternatives. He is just saying that there is still a need for traditional energies like coal, oil, etc. and that until we have a more reliable energy source, they will still be needed.

He is practical and is not blinded by Leftwing ideology and he is right.
Besides that, the topic wasn’t about coal. They just can’t help going off on a tangent about thier obsession Trump.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I found this quite interesting--California is leading the charge to kick fossil fuel power generation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gas-in-america

"California, the state that helped birth the global boom in battery-toting electric vehicles, is trying to spark a similar transformation for utilities. And that spells trouble for power plants all across the U.S. that run on natural gas.
The California Public Utilities Commission approved an order Thursday that will require PG&E Corp., the state’s biggest utility, to change the way it supplies power when demand peaks. Instead of relying on electricity from three gas-fired plants run by Calpine Corp., PG&E will have to use batteries or other non-fossil fuel resources to keep the lights on in the most-populated U.S. state."

In other words, CA will once again make itself even more expensive to live here. For a state that supposedly cares so much about the poor, they sure seem to hammer them and middle class relentlessly.

Thank you Moonbeam! So glad he will be out next year... though the lineup of progressive political wackamoles is deep in this state, so little change will happen.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by EvilEyeFleegle View Post
I found this quite interesting--California is leading the charge to kick fossil fuel power generation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...gas-in-america

"California, the state that helped birth the global boom in battery-toting electric vehicles, is trying to spark a similar transformation for utilities. And that spells trouble for power plants all across the U.S. that run on natural gas.
The California Public Utilities Commission approved an order Thursday that will require PG&E Corp., the state’s biggest utility, to change the way it supplies power when demand peaks. Instead of relying on electricity from three gas-fired plants run by Calpine Corp., PG&E will have to use batteries or other non-fossil fuel resources to keep the lights on in the most-populated U.S. state."
How do they plan to charge these batteries?
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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You are an example why the Left is so ignorant. Trump is not touting the benefits of coal or dismissing other alternatives. He is just saying that there is still a need for traditional energies like coal, oil, etc. and that until we have a more reliable energy source, they will still be needed.

He is practical and is not blinded by Leftwing ideology and he is right.
No, your boy is ignorant, he not only called climate change a “Chinese hoax” but he promised he would bring back jobs in the coal industry. Like most things he says, neither are true. I know what the future holds, and my portfolio is lined up with it. If you think that’s ignorant, that’s fine by me.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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How do they plan to charge these batteries?
How many batteries will there be? Seems like you would need a massive amount of batteries to power the power grid at peak demand.
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