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Old 01-15-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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I have this foolishness repeated often. Woman are now vastly overrepresented in education based on merit, so no, there is absolutely nothing to this postion.

Besides, if blacks do not make the most of the quota system, then it is nobody's fault but there own. It is exactly what we are talking about here. No one is oppressing blacks just because they are underperforming.
Again white women use AA more than anybody. It's fact. I'll just add you to list of people that can't directly answer my question.


Sally Kohn: Affirmative Action Helps White Women More Than Others | TIME.com


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While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action.
Another study shows that women made greater gains in employment at companies that do business with the federal government, which are therefore subject to federal affirmative-action requirements, than in other companies — with female employment rising 15.2% at federal contractors but only 2.2% elsewhere. And the women working for federal-contractor companies also held higher positions and were paid better.
Even in the private sector, the advancements of white women eclipse those of people of color. After IBM established its own affirmative-action program, the numbers of women in management positions more than tripled in less than 10 years. Data from subsequent years show that the number of executives of color at IBM also grew, but not nearly at the same rate.

It's a proven fact that white women gained the most from AA. You only call it bogus because it completely destroys the white conservative narrative about blacks needing AA. If anything, any time a white person needs doesn't perfom well..."they gave the job to a minority because of AA". Make yourself feel better.
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Old 01-15-2018, 08:20 PM
 
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Again white women use AA more than anybody. It's fact. I'll just add you to list of people that can't directly answer my question.


Sally Kohn: Affirmative Action Helps White Women More Than Others | TIME.com





It's a proven fact that white women gained the most from AA. You only call it bogus because it completely destroys the white conservative narrative about blacks needing AA. If anything, any time a white person needs doesn't perfom well..."they gave the job to a minority because of AA". Make yourself feel better.

Just becuase an idiot reporter said it doesn't make it true. Demographics preclude it. It simply isn't factual, you just like to believe it because it makes you feel good. It is more deflection, just like the protests that should be protesting black crime and resisting arrest.

And again, it isn't anyone else's fault if blacks have not availed themselves to the opportunities given by racial quotas.

I don't care what you put me down as, becuase my people don't have a problem with education, work, following laws, etc.

The only thing that is going to completely destroy the narrative of blacks needing affirmative action is if they start succeeding as a people. The rest of us are waiting, but what we are seeing instead is Hispanics jumping ahead in line in key metrics.

Good luck with your moment of clarity. Hope it comes soon.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:19 PM
 
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Again white women use AA more than anybody. It's fact. I'll just add you to list of people that can't directly answer my question.


Sally Kohn: Affirmative Action Helps White Women More Than Others | TIME.com





It's a proven fact that white women gained the most from AA. You only call it bogus because it completely destroys the white conservative narrative about blacks needing AA. If anything, any time a white person needs doesn't perfom well..."they gave the job to a minority because of AA". Make yourself feel better.
If true, why black people by large still support the racist Affirmative Action?

Either black people are stupid or what you said is not true. Pick your choice carefully please.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:17 PM
 
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/black-p...le_email_share

Key points:

1. Blacks are no longer oppressed
2. Blacks are responsible for their own condition
3. NFL and BLM protests ring hollow to the entire world
4. The protests are an excuse for damage blacks are doing to themselves
5. They amount to an excuse and a desire for an excuse
6. Systemic racism, structural racism, micro-aggressions, white privelge are all invented to provide excuse
7. We are seeing and going to increasingly see a new era of empowerment for whites and non-victimhood blacks in which they say what they really feel about black crime.


The only thing that I can add is that it won't just be whites and non-victim blacks who now feel empowered to speak, but Asians and Hispanics, who often come to this country with no family networks, no language skills, sometimes no legal status, and yet are running ahead in line.

As always, this is a tough love message. I want everyone to succeed. Best line in the article:

What happened was that black America was confronted with a new problem: the shock of freedom. This is what replaced racism as our primary difficulty. Blacks had survived every form of human debasement with ingenuity, self-reliance, a deep and ironic humor, a capacity for self-reinvention and a heroic fortitude. But we had no experience of wide-open freedom.
LMAO...so you’re in a position to give “tough love” messages to people? You?

SMH...worry about your own people. We don’t need your advice.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:20 PM
 
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The black protest movement NEVER had any power with Shelby Steele. His own twin brother will tell you that.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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You mean like DR. Ben Carson and any other successful Black Republican? Yeah, they get mocked by the people they are trying to set an example for...
How would you know that?

Furthermore, who are you to choose the examples for black folks?
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:00 PM
 
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Love Shelby Steele. He should appear on Fox News more often.
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:54 AM
 
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Love Shelby Steele. He should appear on Fox News more often.
I’m sure you “love” him. But don’t love certain other humans with just as much duling conviction.

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There are so many home runs in this article.

Black Protest Has Lost Its Power

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I have to quote two other thoughts...

#1...
Freedom came to blacks with an overlay of cruelty because it meant we had to look at ourselves without the excuse of oppression


It's easy to go back to a familiar boogeyman when life doesn't go right, instead of looking at yourself and working hard to improve. Upon being free, we have started behind in terms of education and resources - so the climb is definitely uphill compared to others. And there are many side roads that can be taken that lead to pitfalls in life, and it is easy to fall into the old mindset of being oppressed via race. However, in many cases - many are being oppressed by their own life decisions, and it's harder to say 'it's my fault'. It's easier and more acceptable to say, 'it's whitey's fault'.



#2


This is so true. I remember getting this in middle school in DC when I was getting good grades, other kids would tell me that I am not "down" with them. I think of when rap started to become mainstream, and when certain rappers became popular with whites, they were labeled as "crossovers".

Then I thought of Obama - you can't be more successful than being the first black president. He remained authentic. But look at what his focus was... he did not help black people improve their lives... he did ratchet up the oppression angle and pushed towards marching in the streets.

If we are ever going to have the majority of us move forward, the thinking behind #2 has to change. We are making slow progress. The problem is that there is an opposition that pushes the oppression mindset.
Freedom is never given by the oppressor. It must always be demanded by the oppressed.

Perhaps they were labeled “crossovers” because it was not popular among whites at the time. It was music form that came from the ghetto.

Maybe you were not “down” with them because it was simply cool to be a performer or artists rather than getting good grades. I’m sure the same applies to many other groups of students...but you and others have a harder time applying human qualities to black people.

Presidents don’t exactly “ help” people fix their lives even though they serve as an inspiration ...I think we both can agree on that.
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Perhaps the author could actually talk about why the nfl players were protesting. The author mentions nothing about police brutality. This opinion piece is basically long winded "you're playing the victim card". He doesn't actually address the players reason for kneeling. And like I always said, it's always just been symbolic. And the kneeling hasn't held up any normal NFL operations, people can still simply ignore it.
Fans are ignoring them. None of the teams with these "social justice" clowns made it to the Superbowl, and team owners will have some disiplinary changes for these morons in the near future.
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:31 AM
 
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LMAO...so you’re in a position to give “tough love” messages to people? You?

SMH...worry about your own people. We don’t need your advice.
Of course, not. How dare we? I really couldn't care less 75% of black people are born out of wedlock since they don't get on welfare ... wait, that's not true.

Do I have your support to abolish Affirmative Action and all the diversity crap then?
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