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Stolen Republican resources? The only "resources" that matter are the voters. And Republican voters cast aside 16 other candidates in favor of Donald Trump. The rest of your post is mindless blather.
Not so!
The RNC is not the voters, K street is not the voters.
Try to launch a movement in this country with just voters and you come up empty, you need an infrastructure and money, plenty of it!
One of the things that endeared Trump to the masses was his self funding 'not answerable to anyone' pitch. His 'just me and the voters' pitch was a propaganda coup and helped cement his base.
When did he stop making that claim? Try to find the last time Trump claimed he was self-funded.
Most of the money Trump spent on the campaign was RNC money, PAC money and donations from well-heeled salamanders like Sheldon Adelson and Robert Mercer. Left to itself the campaign was incompetent, didn't know the state laws of elections and foundered in a many ways.
What they needed, and got from the party, was know-how and structure, it needed the people who have invested decades into building the party and knew the local communities. These people clearly saw Trump as an outsider and the drama played out up to the convention with Trump even threatening riots if the convention turned to another candidate.
If you really want a movement of the people, a revolt of the voters to take control and shake up the government, you need to support ending Citizen's United and take the big money out of politics. Only then will the only "resources" that matter be the voters.
For the present you've been had, your 'movement of the voters' is a sham.
You just can't handle the fact that Donald Trump is a real conservative leader with good moral values and principles. He is going to get tough on MS-13, lock up hillary, drain the swamp, build the wall, bring back coal and make america great again-- all you RINOs are going to be sorry. Heck yeah baby! U-S-A! U-S-A! Larry the Cable Guy for President in 2020!
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You just can't handle the fact that Donald Trump is a real conservative leader with good moral values and principles. He is going to get tough on MS-13, lock up hillary, drain the swamp, build the wall, bring back coal and make america great again-- all you RINOs are going to be sorry. Heck yeah baby! U-S-A! U-S-A! Larry the Cable Guy for President in 2020!
Can you give us some specific examples of him displaying these claimed "good moral values and principles"?
When was the last time that the GOP was serious about fiscal responsibility, less intrusive government, or cutting spending?
Not in my lifetime. They are as bad as the Democrats. They MAY slow the rate of growth, but that is even questionable.
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We have two friends who voted for Trump because "We just have to do something about the national debt. It's out of control."
They are less than pleased that Republicans just signed us up for another trillion or so.
Most people don't care about the debt because the don't see the affect on them. It isn't a "sexy" issues, and when politicians talk finances they lose most of the people as they get bored with it. I do care about it, but it seems most in Washington don't.
"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."
Intellectual conservatism, if any such thing can be said to exist, is technocratic utilitarianism wrapped in libertarian/objectvist/moral authoritarian rhetoric. But at its core, when you read the various edicts and pronouncements from the Kingdom of Buckley, it's just plain old technocratic utilitarianism.
Thing is, technocratic utilitarian statism replaced natural rights theory as the "cost of doing business" and under the guise of the general welfare in the mid-19th century. What calls itself intellectual conservatism is a rhetorical charade that champions statism by refusing to seek its abolition, preferring instead a 50-200 year incremental approach of expediency that doesn't upset anyone too much. In 150 years, the only two administrations that have been remotely close to what intellectual conservatives like to claim they think/believe/desire would be Cleveland (1st term) and Coolidge.
Trump isn't killing anything. He is simply another technocrat incrementing the total amount of statism. Intellectual conservatism was dead a long time ago, because of people stumping it in campaigns and then abandoning it for expediency, convenience, laziness, incumbency protection and just plain greed.
Look no further than how fast the entire conservative ideological diaspora joins hands with liberals to marginalize any libertarian/natural rights theorist who makes even the slightest bit of electoral headway ever. Nothing reveals their intellectual dishonesty faster than how fast they'll launch salvo after salvo of appeal to ridicule at any libertarian who dares even sniff near the door to the halls of power. Trump didn't do that, it's been going on since before the Civil War.
Funny how the vast majority of intellectual liberals can't see how they have betrayed the fundamental premise of intellectualism.
Definition of intellectual. 1 a : of or relating to the intellect or its use. b : developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : rational. c : requiring use of the intellect.
The left has been guided by an over-the-top flood of emotions and seemingly nothing else for the past 15 months!
Carry on with your self-idolizing better than thou platitudes that make yourselves feel good about your own shortcomings. Keep telling yourselves you're better than those conservatives, simply for believing a political ideology. <<<THAT alone is the polar opposite of using your intellect.
I have better things to do than be an extremist over political hacks in DC. Each of our lives are far too valuable to waste on such nonsense.
When was the last time that the GOP was serious about fiscal responsibility, less intrusive government, or cutting spending?
We have two friends who voted for Trump because "We just have to do something about the national debt. It's out of control."
They are less than pleased that Republicans just signed us up for another trillion or so.
you mean the tax cuts that will grow the economy above 1.5% under Obama? the lowest in the last 11 Presidents?..........if the economy grows above 3%, the government will have more revenues..........now everybody knows that to bring down the debt you have to cut spending.
"Intellectual conservatism", or traditional conservatism that adheres to a politically coherent conservative framework, is literally monarchy.
The abortion of an outdated platform that the OP supposes is a form of liberalism. Much older liberalism, but liberalism nonetheless. Its a chimera of Republican (liberal) values and economic utopianism that are removed from the realities of nuclear age foreign policy strategy that intersects with military strength (both functions of economics).
I'm not saying that he nor anyone else needs to support monarchy, but to present a clear form of liberalism as "intellectual conservatism" is nonsense. At least be honest in regard to terminology.
Though, the reason that you have not seen an "intellectual conservative" in office since the 40's is because, as I said, if the platform ever existed outside of "intellect" (it hasn't) then it is long outdated.
...Symbolism defines conservatism. Being patriotic, worshiping the flag, worshiping the state, complete reverence for military no matter the implications of their military action, and speaking about religious and cultural superiority at every turn. Individual rights and civil liberties comes second to conformity and dogma. Free markets and economics comes second to "protecting your own".
That is why I feel for conservatism to ever regain it's footing. It needs an intellectual revolution. There needs to be a move to get back to free markets. A move to restore a focus on individualism. Because conservatism is not state worship, or boasting that your culture is superior despite you not practing said superior culture.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with your facts, but I think you may have cause and effect swapped a bit. Trump winning won't kill off intellectual conservatism - Trump winning came about because intellectual conservatism is already dead.
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