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Old 01-16-2018, 01:19 PM
 
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Liberals want control over the people and industry, the ACA gave them that.
Meaningless statement.

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What is corporatist about that?

When insurance corporations drop out of the state exchanges, until many people only have one provider to choose from, how is that corporatist???
https://www.axios.com/profits-are-bo...a755e6679.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top-...n-dollars.html

That is what it was all about.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan both have good conservative credentials. Lou Dobbs had a prime time show. Pat Buchanan ran for President. Lou Dobbs is no longer a prime time anchor and Pat Buchanan was denounced as an extremist when he ran for President.

People who watch FOX news don't trust science. Scientists don't have an agenda. They only have evidence and proofs.

People who watch FOX news hate liberals but Medicaid a liberal program is a major way to get medical attention in primarily the red states.

People who watch FOX news fault the Federal Reserve for the Great Depression and the Great Recession but can't tell me why.

Why do you believe that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised even though it would only raise prices by 1.45%?
Why do you think that the recent tax cut is so great when it is only throwing you the crumbs for only eight years at that?

You don't support unions.
You vote for people who appoint judges who rule against working people.



Do you ever ask yourselves why your beliefs as a conservative are such a close match to what CEOs want?
Do you ever ask why?


Liberals are so weird.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan both have good conservative credentials. Lou Dobbs had a prime time show. Pat Buchanan ran for President. Lou Dobbs is no longer a prime time anchor and Pat Buchanan was denounced as an extremist when he ran for President.

People who watch FOX news don't trust science. Scientists don't have an agenda. They only have evidence and proofs.

People who watch FOX news hate liberals but Medicaid a liberal program is a major way to get medical attention in primarily the red states.

People who watch FOX news fault the Federal Reserve for the Great Depression and the Great Recession but can't tell me why.

Why do you believe that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised even though it would only raise prices by 1.45%?
Why do you think that the recent tax cut is so great when it is only throwing you the crumbs for only eight years at that?

You don't support unions.
You vote for people who appoint judges who rule against working people.



Do you ever ask yourselves why your beliefs as a conservative are such a close match to what CEOs want?
Do you ever ask why?
and do you realize there are a lot of middle America who are Republicans as well as even the working class.

Do you have any idea why so many do not like unions and not all of those people are Republicans?

Do you realize people who watch FOX news do not dislike liberals anymore than all those who watch MSNBC hate conservatives.

Do you realize which party gives the most to charity and probably gives the most time to volunteer work?

Do you realize what happens go the price of doing business every time the min wage is increased? Visit Canada for instance and price food in a fast food restaurant like Pop Eyes. I use that as an example as the prices last time we were in Canada were almost double ours for a basic Popeye chicken lunch.

I could go on and on, but don't assume it only goes one way and no, we are not all opposed to medicaid, we just want some control over who is eligible to receive it and that it isn't something for be misused which it often is.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Hamfisted federal solutions to problems are better than denying that there is a problem, or accepting that there's a problem and then ignoring it.
What proof do you have that ham fisted federal "solutions" will actually solve anything that market based solutions and natural advancemens in technology won't?

And how do you explain that virtually every prediction that "science" has made about climate change in the last few decades has not materialized as predicted?
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Hamfisted federal solutions to problems are better than denying that there is a problem, or accepting that there's a problem and then ignoring it.
Often times the “solution “ to the problem exacerbate the problem and/or create other problems. We would have been better off ignoring the problem of Saddam Hussein.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:28 PM
 
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" Do you ever wonder why your version of conservativism is so close to the corporate agenda?"

No, to be honest I never wondered that. If I ever do, I'll look you up and you can explain it to me in great unbiased liberal detail, as if I really gave a rats behind, LOL.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What proof do you have that ham fisted federal "solutions" will actually solve anything that market based solutions and natural advancemens in technology won't?
The only solution to climate change has to be market based. Developing nations cannot afford anything except the most economical sources of energy.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan both have good conservative credentials. Lou Dobbs had a prime time show. Pat Buchanan ran for President. Lou Dobbs is no longer a prime time anchor and Pat Buchanan was denounced as an extremist when he ran for President.

People who watch FOX news don't trust science. Scientists don't have an agenda. They only have evidence and proofs.

People who watch FOX news hate liberals but Medicaid a liberal program is a major way to get medical attention in primarily the red states.

People who watch FOX news fault the Federal Reserve for the Great Depression and the Great Recession but can't tell me why.

Why do you believe that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised even though it would only raise prices by 1.45%?
Why do you think that the recent tax cut is so great when it is only throwing you the crumbs for only eight years at that?

You don't support unions.
You vote for people who appoint judges who rule against working people.



Do you ever ask yourselves why your beliefs as a conservative are such a close match to what CEOs want?
Do you ever ask why?
No I never ask why.

BTW Some scientists do have agendas.
Many people who watch FOX do not hate liberals.
I didn't know the "Great Depression and Recession" were caused by the Federal Reserve.
The amount the minimum wage would raise prices depends upon the type of business and few corporation pay minimum wage.
Minimum wage should be a state/local issue in my opinion.
Taxes were (and in my opinion still are) too high whether or not I personally benefit from it.
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:31 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Scientists’ agenda is to (1) outstrip their peers in professional accolades, (2) maximize how much credit they get for any publication, (3) publish as much as possible, and (4) leave as much of a legacy as possible. All of this is enabled by a key means: getting as much funding as possible. SOMETIMES maximizing funding means “selling out”, which is to say serving one or another kind of master. But more often than not, the “agenda” is one of personal advancement, and not sycophantic service of some political or social cause. What’s much more common, is scientists having to work on topics of secondary interest to them, because that’s where the funding happens to be. They have to forego the topics of real interest to them, because those are intractable, in terms of securing funding and supporting students. This is the sense in which most scientists, save perhaps for the very best, DO have to “sell out”.

The agenda is therefore not explicitly political. There is however one crucial exception to this. Scientists love to travel, to present their work internationally, to collaborate internationally, and to attract the best graduate-students from all over the world. In that sense, scientists are the consummate “globalists”. They prefer a system in which the free exchange of ideas, of investment and of manpower, is not beholden to national or nationalistic interests. In this sense, scientists – even those who are socially and/or fiscally conservative – tend to be anti-populist.
Scientists are fascinated by the quest for knowledge. The very word "scientist" comes from the Latin - scio - to understand or know. Sure, scientists are only human and they are gratified by the recognition of other scientists in their field of study. They attend international conferences because this is one of the best forums for the exchange of ideas.The competition for grad students is more like the completion BETWEEN grad students. Grad students want mentors who are distinguished and who have the accolades from other scientists. Your thesis adviser can make or break your scientific career. As a result, your student days are long ones, spent learning differential equations, advanced computer modeling techniques and the laws of thermodynamics just for starters.

If you were motivated merely by a desire to get the big bucks, the last area of study that you would go into is the so-called "pure sciences." An MBA requires far less work and all but guarantees a good payoff from corporate America. Scientists mostly get the crumbs from the table, not the feast itself. Sure, sometimes you have to follow the funding to engage in your research. When this happens you end up essentially working two jobs - the one you get paid for and the other where you stay in the lab or out in the field until 4 am, knowing that you'll have to teach a class bright and early at 8:00 am, but you do it anyhow because you are fascinated by your work and not by the big paycheck - which is a joke.

Once upon a time American scientists were at the forefront. The government and the voters recognized the necessity (and the payoffs) for funding scientific research. All the comforts and trappings of modern civilization came about from scientists engaged in "pure research" (as opposed to technical or applied science). If you are tapping away with your thumbs sending emoticons to your sweetie, thank a scientist. If you've never contracted measles or small pox, thank a scientist. If your belly is full despite the fact that modern agriculture must now feed billions of people around the globe, thank who? A scientist.

Unfortunately, the war on science started by mega corporations with an ax to grind - think Rex Tillerson and Exxon - has caused the sheeple to turn against science and education in general. The populists who take the words of Limbaugh and Fox as if they were the words of god may be filled with evil glee that the EPA is being demolished, that NOAA gets its findings on climate science mysteriously vanished, and that funding for carrying out scientific research has been slashed to all time lows.

France and China are now the leaders in many scientific disciplines while the US is losing its grip. The crowd wants only bread and circuses - not education or science which have been deemed elitist if not downright un-American. If Johnny can't read, it's because there aren't enough coal mines. Better take him out of the classroom and let him be home schooled by parents with a 5th grade education

The populists have been let out of their asylums to run around the countryside, spreading the lies of their masters back at Wall Street.

TEACHER! Leave them kids alone. All in all you're just another brick in the wall!



https://youtu.be/pnbx00-L_EI
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Old 01-16-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan both have good conservative credentials. Lou Dobbs had a prime time show. Pat Buchanan ran for President. Lou Dobbs is no longer a prime time anchor and Pat Buchanan was denounced as an extremist when he ran for President.

People who watch FOX news don't trust science. Scientists don't have an agenda. They only have evidence and proofs.

People who watch FOX news hate liberals but Medicaid a liberal program is a major way to get medical attention in primarily the red states.

People who watch FOX news fault the Federal Reserve for the Great Depression and the Great Recession but can't tell me why.

Why do you believe that the minimum wage shouldn't be raised even though it would only raise prices by 1.45%?
Why do you think that the recent tax cut is so great when it is only throwing you the crumbs for only eight years at that?

You don't support unions.
You vote for people who appoint judges who rule against working people.



Do you ever ask yourselves why your beliefs as a conservative are such a close match to what CEOs want?
Do you ever ask why?
I trust science but not the scientists who manipulate the data to get the result desired.
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