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The unemployment argument isn’t so valid anymore because we’re essentially at full employment. No, Americans aren’t going to suddenly “take all the jobs” of legal immigrants or illegal aliens. At some point, cutting immigration enough will lead to a contracting economy.
But regardless, I’ve said numerous times that I am against illegal immigration. So if you want to share hypotheticals with me, make them about legal immigrants.
No, we aren't at full employment you have drank the leftist Kool-Aid. Many Americans are working part time to make ends meet. Yes, most of those blue-collared jobs Americans would do again for a fair wage. I'm not for cutting legal immigration altogether just reducing it as this time and based on the merit system. If we find in the future we need more legal immigrants then so be it. You've yet to state why that's a bad plan.
So are you advocating shutting down immigration entirely, at least for the short term? You realize that would seriously harm SS and Medicare and the economy, right?
Given that many illegals are coming in legally, you might even have to suspend travel to the US to get a complete handle on the situation. Don’t tell me you be in favor of that. (Even then, it’d be virtually impossible to truly, completely “get a handle” on it all.)
Serious situations require serious solutions. Doing nothing hasn't worked so well.
So are you advocating shutting down immigration entirely, at least for the short term? You realize that would seriously harm SS and Medicare and the economy, right?
Given that many illegals are coming in legally, you might even have to suspend travel to the US to get a complete handle on the situation. Don’t tell me you be in favor of that. (Even then, it’d be virtually impossible to truly, completely “get a handle” on it all.)
In a country of 323 million citizens and 11-30 million illegals I'd say no it would not.
Attached is an article by Ron Brownstein that shows the irony of Trump voters being anti-immigrant. They’re predominantly older voters who are expecting to draw Social Security and Medicare. To keep both programs, we need more young taxpayers.
It's the low quality of the immigrants we're getting that is the problem. Immigrants take more than they contribute. That means they're imperiling the sustainability of SS and Medicare even more, as both run out of funding:
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Welfare Use by Immigrant and Native Households
An Analysis of Medicaid, Cash, Food, and Housing Programs
September 10, 2015
This study is the first in recent years to examine immigrant (legal and illegal) and native welfare use using the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP). While its complexity makes it difficult to use, the survey is widely regarded as providing the most accurate picture of welfare participation. The SIPP shows immigrant households use welfare at significantly higher rates than native households, even higher than indicated by other Census surveys.
In 2012, 51 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) reported that they used at least one welfare program during the year, compared to 30 percent of native households. Welfare in this study includes Medicaid and cash, food, and housing programs.
Yes, you read that correctly. Immigrant households are using means-tested social safety net programs (Food Stamps, Medicaid, Cash Aid - Welfare, TANF, etc., Housing Subsidies, etc.) at a rate that's 70% higher than US Citizen households.
The only people who advocate for illegal immigrants are the business who don't want to lose their cheap labor. You people don't give a **** about people's social security or medicaid. If you did, then perhaps you would have done something about it when you were in complete control of the executive and legislative branch. It's clear, both traditional Republicans and Democrats are only defending the interest of business.
Besides, op, isn't automation going to replace many of the unskilled jobs that illegal immigrants are work in? If that is the case why would you want more illegal immigrants when many of those jobs will disappear in the next decade or two?
Lets get this straight, you people want cheap labor in restaurants, nannies, maids, house cleaners, gardening, construction, and so forth. None these do poor Americans benefit significantly. What the Democrats want is cheap labor for these jobs. Without a constant influx of illegal immigrants, then you are force to pay higher hourly rates before you attract Americans to put up being your servant for a few hours.
I would favor something different in place of SS and Medicare. But as long as we have those, then yes, we need a certain number of working people to pay into those systems. Even if birth rates still outnumber death rates, we have (and especially will have) far too many retired citizens compared to working people to sustain them with significant cuts to immigration.
Jobs and resources aren’t scarce in this country. We’re pretty much at full employment.
Your last sentence is completely wrong. As for not having enough people in the near future please read the link below. If you're all for the merit system then you must realize that it will reduce legal immigration because right now we have immigrants coming here that wouldn't make the cut and shouldn't. All this chain migration has to stop also.
For the millionth time, the Cotton/Perdue bill supported by Trump would cut legal immigration in half.
We can debate whether that’s a good idea or not, but don’t try to suggest that Trump and his supporters don’t want cuts to legal immigration.
I never said that we don't want cuts to legal immigration based on the merit system, ending visa lottery and chain migration it will of course occur naturally but that's common sense immigration policy. You've yet to state what's wrong with that. We have enough American workers to do any jobs in this country. If we get rid of the illegal aliens that will open up millions of jobs for Americans. Trump is working on that also so why would we want to import legal immigrants that are of the same economical class as illegal aliens are and to compete for those millions of jobs that will open up?
Attached is an article by Ron Brownstein that shows the irony of Trump voters being anti-immigrant..................
Do you also have a link that shows Trump voters actually being anti-immigrant?
It would be a little hard since that position is just something CNN (and you, I suppose) just made up. Trump voters are anti illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants are just fine.
Nice try, though.
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