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View Poll Results: Who is at fault for the shutdown?
House/Senate Majority Republicans 138 37.50%
Democrats 171 46.47%
Both 59 16.03%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-18-2018, 08:34 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nope.

They need 60 votes in the Senate.

But I say let it get shut down.......
Yep. Then winding up to the 2018 midterms, slam home the point to the entire US that the Dems shut down the government, harming US Citizens in the process, because they prioritize illegal aliens over US Citizens.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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Maybe you need reminding that 60 votes are needed to pass the budget. The Dems are going to hold the country hostage over some illegal migrants and put them above the security and welfare of the entire nation.

The Dems think they can get a DACA deal, throw in a few crumbs which do basically nothing, and that makes it okay. Wrong. Fund the country first, then worry about your illegals. One really has nothing to do with the other and this will haunt the Dems for a very long time.
You know what people will remember? That the GOP held all the cards and still couldn't get the job done.

The problem for the Republicans right now is that there is an internal war taking place among themselves. If they can't even present a bill their own caucus will support how is that the Democrats' fault?
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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Hey, remember when Trump said a shutdown might be a good thing? I guess he may get his wish.
Just picture Trump pushing his red "bring me a soda" button and no one answers because they all went home. Poor Trump might have to get his own two scoops.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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The GOP does not have a super majority though so they can't do it all on their own.
For healthcare and taxes apparently they can and did. The 60 vote threshold holds no bearing to the GOP. It means nothing, only because it's a senate rule for what they're dealing with now a few Republicans want to even get rid of the 60 vote threshold. So the problem isn't the 60 votes, it's their inability to compromise and give up some of their hard stances.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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If you control the House, Senate, White House and Supreme Court, then you probably have to assume some responsibility as opposed to spending all the time trying to blame someone else.
Uh-huh. 60 votes in the Senate has nothing to do with it.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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The GOP does not have a super majority though so they can't do it all on their own.
Really? Maybe they should of thought of that before ramming that travesty of a tax giveaway through with no support or input from dems
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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You know what people will remember? That the GOP held all the cards and still couldn't get the job done.

The problem for the Republicans right now is that there is an internal war taking place among themselves. If they can't even present a bill their own caucus will support how is that the Democrats' fault?
Somehow this is all Obama’s and Hillary’s fault.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Somehow this is all Obama’s and Hillary’s fault.
Meanwhile Obama is just sipping his coffee laughing at Mitch.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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??? Post makes no sense.

Republicans are at fault & you guys know it. Period. Own it, end of story.
So, you are saying that not 1 single democrat will obstruct any vote regradless?
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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The crises was created by Trump. Everyone knows this. He handed it over to Republican controlled congress which thus far has done nothing.

The GOP is willing to compromise between it's own disparate factions to keep the government funded but not willing to compromise with the Democrats in like manner, although the Democrats have been bargaining in good faith. This entire crises is unnecessary and the public is paying attention.

No, what the Democrats are asking for (DACA) will do irreparetable harm to our country in the long wrong run and keep the Democrats in office forever once they gain citizenship. The DACAs will then be demanding citizenship for their parents here illegally also. Trump and his supporters don't want that. Can you blame them? There are many sell outs on the GOP side so being they have a majority in congress means nothing and they don't have a super majority either.
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