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Old 01-18-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...s-trump-293130

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The Senate on Thursday gave the Trump administration and national security hawks a significant victory, approving a long-term extension of controversial surveillance programs over bipartisan opposition.

Lawmakers voted, 65-34, to renew a set of powerful digital spying tools that intercept the digital chatter of foreign targets but also incidentally collect personal information on an unknown number of Americans. The bill now heads to President Donald Trump’s desk, where he is expected to sign it shortly.


Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), who chairs the House’s defense intelligence subcommittee, told POLITICO that it took "a lot of one-on-one conversations" to disabuse lawmakers of the notion that the 702 statute is being used to spy on individual Americans.

"They’re not listening to your phone calls, they’re not reading your emails," he said.

These surveillance advocates also insist some of the privacy and transparency concerns have been addressed in the bill that passed. Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, commended the bill’s warrant provisions as “narrowly drawn” but “significant.” He also pointed to an "actually more significant" mandatory report the bill orders that is meant to shed light on the number of Americans caught up by 702 programs.

“There are legitimate concerns, people on both sides, I understand their points,” Warner told POLITICO. “But I do know this: This is a critical tool that has helped make Americans safer.”
Senate approved the bill 65-34, and it sits on the Presidents desk.
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...s-trump-293130



Senate approved the bill 65-34, and it sits on the Presidents desk.
And they have done that every single year since the 9-11 bill passed.

Each side decries the other side for abuse of power.
And yet they all join hands, sing koombaya and pass its renewal.
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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thanks but i thought you must have something NEW for the extraordinary claims being made here.

time and again you guys pretend this doc proves that US security forces were purposely conducting widespread spying on US citizens, when in fact mostly this is about sloppy work and worse reporting of the errors made. there appears to be no proof that Obama or anyone else was purposely spying for political gain either side any party...

but that is how you guys sell it. you guys love to pretend this is deep state plot, where as it would seem to be more about people not doing their jobs very well...
The DOJ was illegally accessing the FISA database to spy on Americans. No judge oversaw this. The IG report, NSA & FISA court all ruled it was completely illegal and stopped the activity. Not sure how you can be shown the actual report multiple times and continue to pretend it hasn't been proven? That's not ignorance, that's called lying.
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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NOPE you are refusing to post PROOF because you don't have it. What you have is 99 pages saying FISA compliance is sloppy and corrections/reports are too slow.
What you dont have if proof of illegal intentional spying by Obama. What you lack is the PROOF part. thus you continue deflect.
99 pages and you failed to single thing didn't you. otherwise you would be here posting it 8 times day, you would be shouting it from the roof tops. as would a dozen other posters on these forums.
yet amazingly none of you ever post a shred of proof and instead claim "oh its in there"


thus here is my proof that i am god, just follow the link it is fully searchable. and the proof is there ....

Google
Obama wiretapped reporter Rosen and his parents...
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Old 01-18-2018, 03:51 PM
 
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Obama wiretapped reporter Rosen and his parents...
Obama's DOJ wouldn't prosecute Obama.

That was a surprise.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:39 PM
 
Location: United States
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This most be as bad as they were saying.

More reactions from members of the House.


“The House must immediately make public the memo prepared by the Intelligence Committee regarding the FBI and the Department of Justice. The facts contained in this memo are jaw-dropping and demand full transparency. There is no higher priority than the release of this information to preserve our democracy,” Rep. Gaetz said.


https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-...ence-committee
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: United States
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More reactions from congress keep coming in on the FISA abuse report.


Just read the classified doc @HPSCI re FISA abuse. I'm calling for its immediate public release w/relevant sourced material. The public must have access ASAP!

https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/sta...02959394213889
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I don't think so. There have been unsubstantiated claims of abuse from the executive branch and the aligned members of the GOP, however Congress did assert support for FISA. Leads one to conclude that a lot of the smoke, well- is smoke.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...lation-n837231

But it would be GOOD to know if there are proven violations of privacy especially under FISA rules, but seeing as though FISA passed FISA the House and will also likely get approved in the Senate- this 'report' seems nothing more than an attempt to appease Fox 'Opinion' which, by the way, drove Trump into the chaotic frenzy over the matter- all unsubstantiated.







"There have been unsubstantiated claims of abuse from the executive branch and the aligned members of the GOP, however Congress did assert support for FISA. Leads one to conclude that a lot of the smoke, well- is smoke."






Horse **** !!!
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Still flogging this dead horse???

I guess with the whole "Fusion GPS " lie falling flat has left you guys scratching around...



Aside from the FISA report, what has changed?


Looks like the Democrat's world is a giant **** sandwich going forward.
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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Lightbulb Fusion GPS - Simpson testimony and Fisa abuse- bigger scandal than Watergate according to people on the Hill!

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/0...ww.google.com/

This is the beginning of the can of worms being opened and soon more will come out.
This is labeled to be bigger than Watergate by for example Matt Gaetz who is calling for firing of many FBI top players.
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