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Old 01-18-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump said he wanted the gov't to shut down. Such a flip flopper.

And yeah good luck blaming this on the Democrats. Republicans are the ones in power. Could easily pass CHIP by itself as it has bipartisan support.
Yes, remember when he said we needed a good old fashioned shutdown just a few months ago? He wasn't worried about kids and the military then. And he was so concerned today he went and did one of his me - me - me rallies.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Austin
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well, the cr passed the house. on to the senate.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Dems are all about resist. They are killing their party. It is not about Americans. It is all about being political and it will do them in.

People are sick and tired with the obstructionists. Dems never learn.
I'd say they perfectly learned from the actions of the Republicans for the last 8 years. And since it didnt kill the Republicans, I somehow doubt it will kill the Democrats who have been getting truly insane numbers of people voting for them recently.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Floyd Co, VA
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the dems are the ones REFUSING to make a deal

the fascist liberals are DEMANDING about the dreamers/.....in other words illegals are more important to the dumbocrats than actual citizens

...."fascist liberals"...

Please learn the meaning of fascist before you attempt to use it in this argument. Fascism is diametrically opposed to liberalism.

Fascism is a political ideology that developed after World War I in Italy and Germany. Fascism is characterized by strong nationalism, an extreme level of authoritarianism, corporatism, militarization and hostility towards both liberalism and Marxism.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Democrats own it if the let this shut down go through!

Most immigrants I know are all for immigration the right way which means legal immigration!

Not that many are in favor of DACA although something may needs to be done for the small group that is amongst them that can take care of themselves and is performing well. Not for the ines that will become a liability!
Demonstrably false.

Poll: Nearly 9 in 10 want DACA recipients to stay in US

Most Americans support DACA, but oppose border wall - CBS News poll

I don't understand how a minority power holds responsibility for shutting down the government...you realize that the Republican party can keep the government open with a simple majority?
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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The Republicans are acting like the Democrats are obstructionists when in actuality the Republicans first reaction when they don’t get what they want is to shut the government down. Do it please. Then lets see how they spin their way out of this one....

Why should the Republicans accept a DACA deal in exchange for border security and keeping our government running? It should have been a separate bill from the budget.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:49 PM
 
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Not quite that simple, it is much more than that. These "illegals" are not cut and dry. They came as children, and this is the only home they have known their entire lives. All the Democrats are doing is protecting those that can not protect themselves.

You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, and the Democrats are willing to push Trump and the GOP to the wall to accomplish this. We don't complain that our founding fathers took drastic steps to accomplish their goals, so why the uproar out of Trumpees now ?

We are going to see who blinks first in this battle. I am betting Trump.
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Oh boo hoo! Just because their parents managed to sneak them across our border they should get a pass on our immigration laws? That would be rewarding their parents for doing so. Only 1/3 of these dreamers came here under the age of 6 so no, many do remember their homelands. They also were taught the language and culture of their homelands by their parents. Adults and children move all over the world and they adapt. They need to go back to their homelands with their parents and take the legal path. It doesn't begin on our soil.


Our founding fathers didn't come here illegally so you're comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Why should the Republicans accept a DACA deal in exchange for border security and keeping our government running? It should have been a separate bill from the budget.
Who has been using border wall security as a threat in regards to shutting down the government for months now?

Oh...

Trump threatens government shutdown over border wall funding
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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...."fascist liberals"...

Please learn the meaning of fascist before you attempt to use it in this argument. Fascism is diametrically opposed to liberalism.

Fascism is a political ideology that developed after World War I in Italy and Germany. Fascism is characterized by strong nationalism, an extreme level of authoritarianism, corporatism, militarization and hostility towards both liberalism and Marxism.
false....american liberalism(which is NOT classic liberalism), Marxism(communism), Nazi-ism, socialism, fascism(socialism lite) all come from the progressive movement

FDR was a fascist
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