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Old 01-21-2018, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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of course this is not difficult for Democrats as the media doesn't discuss anything else than mental, weight, etc. issues of the President instead of discussing why the memo to be disclosed is voted down by Democrats without any explanation from any of the Democrats why they are against the public to know what is in the memo's.

Unfortunately this shut down to be aired for a few days will cost the Democrats more votes and less understanding from the people who need their pay check and not much sympathy from anyone else than illegal aliens!

Next week and the weeks thereafter will be full with talks about the cover up and collusion by Democrats so no escape to try to have this shut down cover up their secret.
Those of us on Planet Earth are awed by your statement.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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Yeah it seems silly to me it just hasn't been released. Trump can declassify anything...why not this.

I suspect that it may never be released but always referred to mysteriously -- creates more drama that way and can't really be refuted because it is never clear EXACTLY what is being said.
Trump can not unilaterally declassify this without the HIC who compiled it first voting to declassify it. Once they vote to declassify it, which they will, trump has a mandatory 5 days to sign off on it, which he will. It's going public at some point within the next couple weeks.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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Those of us on Planet Earth are awed by your statement.
His/her statement is completely accurate. The CR was filibustered by the Democrats. The Democrats are demanding AMNESTY for close to 4 million illegal immigrants, a non-spending measure, to be included in the spending bill. This is reckless politics none of these "Kids", some of whom are close to 40 years old, are ever going to be deported they may lose their paperwork but they would just go back to the status they had 4 years ago. As long as they haven't committed a crime they wont be deported. Barack Obama set up this catastrophy with his illegal memo to give them paperwork, it was always going to be shut down by the courts. The executive branch doesnt get to create immigration law unilaterally, it must originate in the house by our representatives.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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I know some folks don't like polls unless they absolutely positively support their view and will skew the interpretation of numbers to try and spin to their view BUT FYI

all polls show that the majority of people in the USA do blame Trump......it is what it is.

He takes the fall as President -- as Obama took the fall as Bush took the fall, etc....it is what it is.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:41 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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So the Democrats have been orchestrating a shutdown for months in order to deflect from a Republican-drafted memorandum that was first revealed to them yesterday morning? How clairvoyant they are.
LOL. Didn't know they had that skill.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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His/her statement is completely accurate. The CR was filibustered by the Democrats. The Democrats are demanding AMNESTY for close to 4 million illegal immigrants, a non-spending measure, to be included in the spending bill. This is reckless politics none of these "Kids", some of whom are close to 40 years old, are ever going to be deported they may lose their paperwork but they would just go back to the status they had 4 years ago. As long as they haven't committed a crime they wont be deported. Barack Obama set up this catastrophy with his illegal memo to give them paperwork, it was always going to be shut down by the courts. The executive branch doesnt get to create immigration law unilaterally, it must originate in the house by our representatives.
The OP says the government was shut down so a NON EXISTENT memo would not be released. That's insane.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:45 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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As to the memo, if Nunez wanted it out, it would be out.

Perhaps Republicans are leery of having all the "factual inaccuracies" pounced on.

Probably works better to rile the Republican base to keep it under wraps.
It has to be declassified first. That requires a vote in Congress, then transferring it tio the White House for the POTUS to sign off on. There's a process. Get it now?
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:47 AM
 
Location: United States
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I know some folks don't like polls unless they absolutely positively support their view and will skew the interpretation of numbers to try and spin to their view BUT FYI

all polls show that the majority of people in the USA do blame Trump......it is what it is.

He takes the fall as President -- as Obama took the fall as Bush took the fall, etc....it is what it is.
The same polls that said Hillary was up by 10 points. LoL

The dems are politically tone deaf to think they can shutdown the government over illegals.

That isn't a good look, and it isn't going to help them win any votes.

Just wait until Trump brings out the military families that have to go to soup kitchens to feed their children because they haven't gotten their paychecks.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Easy end to this. Nuclear option gets budget passed and dooms DACA. Bet the Dems coming running back to the table howling in outrage as they tend to do on a regular basis.
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Old 01-21-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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This article is well worth reading.

The "memo" in question is a four-page document put together by Devin Nunes and some House Republicans

Anything Nunes does is always a good time.

According to Rep. Adam Schiff, Nunes' memo is "a profoundly misleading set of talking points drafted by Republican staff attacking the FBI and its handling of the investigation," which references "classified materials that most of the Republican Intelligence Committee members were forced to acknowledge they have never read."

"It's not simply your run-of-the-mill right-wing plot to distract Trump voters from Stormy Daniels, "****holes," and the shutdown."

It's "powerful evidence of how Russia and its Twitter bots are teaming with right-wing Republicans in a concerted pro-Trump propaganda campaign."

"It's hardly unprecedented, in these Trump times, for right-wing sites to be amplifying messages from Russian propagandists, or for members of Congress to chime in. But "the degree to which they're promoting this hashtag is significant," says Jonathon Morgan, CEO of Austin-based New Knowledge, which tracks disinformation campaigns in social media.

"Whereas the periodic explosions of Russian-Republican memes – especially when they're designed to undercut the Trump-Russia probe – occasionally reach 400 uses of the hashtag per day, "we're measuring more than 3,000" uses of #ReleaseTheMemo since Thursday. That's not a meme; it's an avalanche."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...g-meme-w515654

Two questions come to mind:

1) If this is such a "bombshell", why hasn't Nunes released it? It's his damn memo.

2) What are Republicans doing working hand in glove with a Russian disinformation campaign?


- Who better to write a memo/summary than Devin Nunes? Last I checked he was overseeing the investigation and had read all the classified data.

- "Forced to acknowledge"? Most have not read a million+ pages. That's the point of the memo. It's a summary of a million+ pages of classified information. If it's determined that it's important enough to dig into, then all the supporting documentation will be declassified.

- What evidence? There's no credible evidence that Russian bots surged this hashtag. There's certainly no credible evidence they did it in conjunction with the GOP. This is pure kookery.

- 1) There's a thing called the law. Nunes can not simply release anything he wishes. Duh! They must vote on it in congress and if it's approved, then it must be examined for national security threats and redacted, then the POTUS has to approve the release.

- 2) Let's see the proof.
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