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Old 01-20-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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You evidently don't understand how inventive desperate people can be. I guarantee you, people who want over that wall will either scale it, dig under it, or go around it.

Look at Cubans who want to come here. They strap a 1955 Buick to barrels and travel across 90 miles of open ocean. You thing a little wall is going to be a problem ?
How many Cubans do you think would be here if they could just walk 20 miles?
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:15 AM
 
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Walls and fences can stop golf club members, but not Mexicans. All Mexicans know how to use a ladder, which can defeat any walls and fences.

What really would work is newer technologies like drones, cameras plus human patrols.

Trump is a real estate developer, not a security consultant. He was thinking about mortgages, spendings and contractor jobs.
Why does our military burn time, money and valuable resources on physical barriers when they set up a base?

Do you think they know a little something or are they real estate developers?
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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How many Cubans do you think would be here if they could just walk 20 miles?
Why walk 20 miles when all you can bring is the clothes on your back when you can arrive via ship or private plane? And how many illegal arrivals are there each year at our 328 ports of entry? Oh never mind, you won't be able to answer that because the Government won't release the data... but we can spend 20 or 30 billion on a wall to secure a border that only had 10% as many illegal crossings in 2016 as it did 10 years earlier.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Ive read the comments by the anti wall folks and gotten some good laughs. Seems that most of you people have very little real word experience. Lets just take the ladder argument. Just buy a ladder at lowes? In the first place, I dont think they even make a 30 ft ladder. In the second place, handling it is a two man job at least. In the third place, I doubt the would haul it out to a remote location or get away with using it openly in a city. And lastly, 30 foot step ladder will most likely not raise you 30 ft. Maybe 25 tops, because you lose height leaning it against a wall, and it would almost certainly be too heavy to lift and drop down in the correct position on the other side.

I live near the border. Govt. spends a whole lot of money that could be saved over the next many years because we need fewer people guarding the border in some places.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Alright, since the debate will never end, I will submit a show proposal:

"Can Trump Wall Stop a Mexican" on Myth Buster, the Discovery Channel.

Adam and Jamie will find a real Mexican illegal migrant worker (not US commando) to do a test for this urban myth. I think the myth will be busted.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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I live near the border. Govt. spends a whole lot of money that could be saved over the next many years because we need fewer people guarding the border in some places.
Well what you are saying makes sense, but it's a little hard to reconcile with Trump's demand that 5,000 new border agents be hired, and since very few people apply for the job and 2/3 of those who do can't pass the polygraph test, Trump decided to retain an outside agency to attract and screen new border agents- at a cost of only $40,000 per applicant

"With a mandate from President Donald Trump to hire 5,000 new Border Patrol agents, Customs and Border Protection awarded a $297 million contract to a private company to help recruit and hire the new agents and other workers"

https://outline.com/ahXkVm
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:28 AM
 
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Why does our military burn time, money and valuable resources on physical barriers when they set up a base?

Do you think they know a little something or are they real estate developers?
Walls that are manned and patrolled by people with guns are a deterrent. That in part is why prisons work.

Build a 700 mile wall in the middle of no where, no people, no surveillance, and anyone with a bit of ingenuity can get over it.

A wall only slows people down long enough to bring force to bear. With no force, it just slows people down.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Scale it?

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Considering how short people south of the border are, it would be even harder for them. I just wish there were videos posted of these tests. I will email the White House to suggest it. If you agree, do it, too. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

US Commandos Unable To Scale Border Wall | The Daily Caller
People "south of the border" will just tunnel under it.

Like they've done for decades.

tRump is a slow learner for a "stable genius."

Somebody please teach him to think in 3 dimensions.

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Old 01-20-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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Ive read the comments by the anti wall folks and gotten some good laughs. Seems that most of you people have very little real word experience. Lets just take the ladder argument. Just buy a ladder at lowes? In the first place, I dont think they even make a 30 ft ladder. In the second place, handling it is a two man job at least. In the third place, I doubt the would haul it out to a remote location or get away with using it openly in a city. And lastly, 30 foot step ladder will most likely not raise you 30 ft. Maybe 25 tops, because you lose height leaning it against a wall, and it would almost certainly be too heavy to lift and drop down in the correct position on the other side.

I live near the border. Govt. spends a whole lot of money that could be saved over the next many years because we need fewer people guarding the border in some places.
Lowes has 32' 36' 40' and a 60' foot ladder on their extension ladder page.

Two men, coyotes, put the ladder in a truck and take it to a remote area. ladder goes up, drop a rope down the other side, people go over. Two men put ladder back in truck and drive away.

Or one good climber can climb up drop a rope or fire escape ladder down and others follow.

A middle aged Mexican congressman scaled a 30' wall section with no tools and tweeted pics of himself and two others perched on the top. But our special forces couldn't do it. Riiiiiight.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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Why walk 20 miles when all you can bring is the clothes on your back when you can arrive via ship or private plane? And how many illegal arrivals are there each year at our 328 ports of entry? Oh never mind, you won't be able to answer that because the Government won't release the data... but we can spend 20 or 30 billion on a wall to secure a border that only had 10% as many illegal crossings in 2016 as it did 10 years earlier.
You are so clueless that you think illegals have the option to just fly directly to the city where they want to go but choose to hike through the desert and deal with the border patrol.

Why would they make the choice to hike for miles and miles just to cross the border and then still have to get transportation to their final destination if direct flights are readily available?

Are you smoking crack?
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