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Old 01-20-2018, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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WHERE was any such thing mentioned other than in your fertile imagination?

Are you really so unaware that you don't understand that when a contentious matter is being debated Congress may choose to present their plan to the POTUS and if he disagrees, not even bring it to a vote?
The answer to that is an obvious "yes." Just like their cultgod, most conservatives have no concept of how our system of government is supposed to operate. That's how he got elected in the first place. If they understood what it is that a president is supposed to do, they would have known not to elect this one.

 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:52 AM
 
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Of course not!

But Congress can certainly decide to not bring an issue to a vote if they're told by the POTUS he/she won't sign it into law.

WHAT part of that is confusing you so badly?

Are you really so naive as to believe everything that happens in Washington is put down on paper?
It’s a FACT that he can’t sign anything placed on his desk. What part of that FACT do you find so difficult to understand?

He said he’d sign it if it made it to his desk to be signed. His desk sits without a bill on it to be signed.

Did he say anywhere that he wouldn’t give any type of input?

Why do you have to be so dishonest about this?
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Donald Trump asked Congress to come up with a bipartisan agreement that both sides would support, and told them if they did so, he would sign it. So the Democrats and the Republicans got together and, in good faith, put together exactly what the president asked for. It was supported by both sides, and it would have easily passed with well in excess of 60 votes.

But when they brought the president exactly what he asked for, he reneged on the deal.

How will the Republicans be able to trust the president going forward, knowing that anything he says today he could change his mind on tomorrow on a whim, after they have done the hard work to try to accommodate him?
The base didn't like the deal, and Trump only governs for 30% of the country.

This is why he has never expanded his supporters. He does not do what is best for the country or for the good of the majority--he does what a small minority want. This is why he will fail. He is an empty suit with a fragile ego. A small minority of Americans like him, and Trump seeks to punish all those that do not support or like him. Good for the small base. Unfortunate for the country.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The Reps are apparently incapable of understanding the difference between coming here illegally and being[ brought here illegally.
Both result in ILLEGAL residencies in the US.

Is there some reason you're confused as to the meaning of ILLEGAL?

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By their (il)logic if a parent takes their baby shopping in a stroller and places shoplifted goods in the stroller the baby should be charged, convicted, and jailed.
Wrong equivalency. The illegally-gotten gains are taken away from the baby/child. The same should happen to DACAs. Deport them, and let them apply to immigrate LEGALLY just like every other LEGAL immigrant, if they wish.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Donald Trump asked Congress to come up with a bipartisan agreement that both sides would support, and told them if they did so, he would sign it. So the Democrats and the Republicans got together and, in good faith, put together exactly what the president asked for. It was supported by both sides, and it would have easily passed with well in excess of 60 votes.

But when they brought the president exactly what he asked for, he reneged on the deal.

How will the Republicans be able to trust the president going forward, knowing that anything he says today he could change his mind on tomorrow on a whim, after they have done the hard work to try to accommodate him?
Did you continue to "trust" Obama's word after all his lies?
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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It’s a FACT that he can’t sign anything placed on his desk. What part of that FACT do you find so difficult to understand?

He said he’d sign it if it made it to his desk to be signed. His desk sits without a bill on it to be signed.

Did he say anywhere that he wouldn’t give any type of input?

Why do you have to be so dishonest about this?
What are the exact words that he said on the matter?
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:54 AM
 
Location: United States
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The Reps are apparently incapable of understanding the difference between coming here illegally and being[ brought here illegally. By their (il)logic if a parent takes their baby shopping in a stroller and places shoplifted goods in the stroller the baby should be charged, convicted, and jailed.
And yet Trump has offered them a solution for DACA, but the dems refused the deal.

If the dems want DACA, stop playing games, and agree to the deal. No more chain migration, and agree to the funding to secure the border.

The dems are refusing the deal because they want an endless flow of illegals, illegals they want to become democrat voters.

Sorry, but Obama isn't president anymore, this lawlessness ends now.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yep! I recognize the Reps have the corporations' backs with their permanent tax breaks while average citizens are thrown a meatless bone with breaks having an expiration date.
The corporations' backs? That's the Democrats who want to keep funneling lower-paid illegal alien workers to them.
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We know the meaning of words like "exactly".

Define exactly: in a manner or measure or to a degree or number that strictly conforms to a fact or condition.

Really we do, as you can see.

Healthy President Trump expressed exactly the conditions needing to be met. It was not brought to him.
Bingo!
 
Old 01-20-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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The base didn't like the deal, and Trump only governs for 30% of the country.

This is why he has never expanded his supporters. He does not do what is best for the country or for the good of the majority--he does what a small minority want. This is why he will fail. He is an empty suit with a fragile ego. A small minority of Americans like him, and Trump seeks to punish all those that do not support or like him. Good for the small base. Unfortunate for the country.
On DACA, his stance is more out of alignment than the normal 65-35 split.

Nearly 90% of Americans support it.
Poll: Nearly 9 in 10 want DACA recipients to stay in US | TheHill

Why is an issue that is supported by 9 out of 10 Americans being used in this way? Shouldn't this be something that the majority of Republicans AND Democrats want?

This should have been taken care of irrespective of discussions about wall funding. It is not a partisan demand, rather it's actually a bipartisan demand.
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