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View Poll Results: Should society strive to help those with substance/mental problems?
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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With all the money the drug companies are making it rather suspicious they can't figure out a way to make drugs less addictive why is that?
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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There was a famous experiment done in psychology.

First to prove the addictiveness of drugs, a rat was placed in an empty cage with two water bottles - one was laced with heroin. After trying both, the rat continued to go back to the one laced with heroin until it overdosed itself and died.

But another psychologist (forgot his name) was taken back by one thing - the empty cage. So he tried a different experiment. A much bigger cage, with toys and diversions and other rats. The same waters bottle were fitted - one laced with heroin - and the experiment repeated.

This time, while the rats tried both, and would occasionally return to the water bottled laced with heroin, they would never OD.

I think drug addiction to the point of OD is a societal problem and not really a drug problem. It's not that certain drugs are so addictive it's that the people who get addicted to them often have nothing else going on in their lives. These people - without these drugs - may turn to other ills or even directly commit suicide.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:19 AM
 
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Some of those wimps are soccer moms, you know.

Millions became addicted to pain medication because they were too busy and didn't educate themselves to opioid addiction, and their doctor was too busy and careless to care.

So when the soccer mom broke her arm, she received pain medication and became accidentally addicted for the reasons listed above. When her careless doctor cut her off cold-turkey after the government crackdown on opioids, she turned to cheaper street heroin in desperation. According to censusdata she is a bad person. Do you agree? Do you want her to die?
Soccer mom should have called her doctor or reported to her local ER when she experienced withdrawal rather than hitting the street corner. People go to the doctor or ER for a sniffle but these people cut off from oxy decide to get some unknown substance from Junkie Jim under the bridge instead, says there is something more there. They don't WANT to be off the stuff.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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With all the money the drug companies are making it rather suspicious they can't figure out a way to make drugs less addictive why is that?
If the drug companies were making so much money from opioids, why in the world did they sit on their hands and let Govt regulate the hell out of them back in 2012?!!

What industry allows govt to kill its cash cow products with new regulations, without a HUGE legal challenge?
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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If the drug companies were making so much money from opioids, why in the world did they sit on their hands and let Govt regulate the hell out of them back in 2012?!!

What industry allows govt to kill its cash cow products with new regulations, without a HUGE legal challenge?
I have answered you twice on that, in detail. I see you have discarded them. Oh well, I gave it the good old college try.
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Old 01-22-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Exactly. When Portugal decriminalized drugs, the number of addicts declined drastically.

How ? Heroin, Meth, Crack, Opioids are all still highly addictive regardless if they are decriminalized or not.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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Some of those wimps are soccer moms, you know.

Millions became addicted to pain medication because they were too busy and didn't educate themselves to opioid addiction, and their doctor was too busy and careless to care.

So when the soccer mom broke her arm, she received pain medication and became accidentally addicted for the reasons listed above. When her careless doctor cut her off cold-turkey after the government crackdown on opioids, she turned to cheaper street heroin in desperation. According to censusdata she is a bad person. Do you agree? Do you want her to die?
If she has a doctor, assuming she did due to the prescribed medication, and insurance why would she risk her life to go on the street to get heroin when her insurance most likely covers rehab ? Get help, or continue... seems like a choice to me.


Not saying she should die, just saying she had a choice.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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How ? Heroin, Meth, Crack, Opioids are all still highly addictive regardless if they are decriminalized or not.
They treat the problem for what it is, a medical condition, not a criminal one. And they spend money on treatment instead of punishment. And they get much, much better results, it costs a lot less, and they don't destroy lives by incarcerating people who have the medical condition of addiction.

It actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

And drug dealers are still sent to prison.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ue-not-a-crime
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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How ? Heroin, Meth, Crack, Opioids are all still highly addictive regardless if they are decriminalized or not.
How? LOTS of ways. "Harm Reduction" works.


Chart of the day: Drug overdose deaths per million persons. Can the US learn something from Portugal? - AEI

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Maybe the USA can learn something from Portugal, where all drugs were decriminalized in 2001? Compared to Portugal, drug overdose deaths per million in neighboring Spain are 2.5X as high, 3.5X as high in the EU, 10X as high in the UK and 31X as high in the USA.
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Old 01-22-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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They treat the problem for what it is, a medical condition, not a criminal one. And they spend money on treatment instead of punishment. And they get much, much better results, it costs a lot less, and they don't destroy lives by incarcerating people who have the medical condition of addiction.

It actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

And drug dealers are still sent to prison.

https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ue-not-a-crime
For those that are born into it, bad family , sex trafficker etc. I totally agree with this.
For the person that decides that alcohol , and weed just isn't fun anymore, and makes the choice to hit that needle....I'm sorry. There is enough knowledge out there that these drugs are highly addictive probably not the best thing for you, not to mention illegal. For these people, it's on them.
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