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Old 01-24-2018, 03:55 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
It wouldn't make any difference if Clinton walked the information over herself.

If there is reason to believe that the POTUS is under the influence of a foreign government, it needs to be checked out.

BTW, Trump has already missed the Oct. 1st deadline on those Russian sanctions Congress passed. Another deadline is coming. Anybody want to bet on whether he misses those as well?
I agree, but it has to be done legally. Even if he's guilty as sin, if the FBI broke the law to find out, the case is dismissed and Trump and all his people walk free. That should make you want the FBI to follow the law very closely, but it feels like just the opposite. It feels like you've abandoned reasoned thinking and logic, and just want to get him so badly that you'd support anything to do so, even breaking the law.

 
Old 01-24-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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There's absolutely no proof Wikileaks has anything to do with Russia. You posted an anonymous source claiming an anonymous source said so. Further still, the only way the US intelligence community could know if the DNC was hacked by the Russian was if Crowdstrike told them so. The DNC would not allow the FBI to inspect their server. Remember, Crowdstrike is owned by a former FBI exec who knows all the players in this scandal and a Russian hacker who rabidly hated Putin. No reasonable person would consider this proof of anything.
That BBC article stated that the intelligence community was undermining Trump's presidency based on the rumors of the memo. You are right, there hasn't been any evidence presented. Sources of sources doesn't count. Until those sources are explicitly named, then there isn't any reason we should trust such a source of source. Especially, if the rumors of the intelligence community of undermining Trump's presidency are true.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The memo is based on a Politician from California who is going to lose his next election. One who has a bias of his own and is in deep. He was part of the campaign.

It is also a fallacy and the GOP politicians are just giving out one side of a conspiracy theory.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:01 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Oh look at you, all excited that criminals may go free. Here is some advice, that is not going to happen. The charges made so far are completely unrelated to the topic of the FISA warrant.

Its like saying "hey we saw you murder 15 guys on camera at the local store, but then we messed up on our search warrant of your house, so you are free to go." Do you see how that is nonsense? Yeah. In fact...so far we have seen ZERO evidence come out of the FISA warrant. And yet, we got 2 people who have pled guilty, and another 2 indicted.
The charges so far are absolutely related to the FISA warrant. They got Michael Flynn on lying to the FBI because his testimony did not match the things they had from spying on him with that warrant. If that surveillance was illegal, he goes free. If that warrant was illegal any and all information gathered is inadmissible in court.

If the police come to your house with an illegal warrant or trumped up charges, they do not get to enter, search and then charge you for whatever they find. If so, law enforcement would be doing that every day and claiming "Ooops, our bad, no child pron here, but look we found drugs". This FISA issue is precisely why a warrant must be legally obtained.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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We know this, but so what? The research the Republican paid for had nothing to do with Russia or the dossier as you well know. Seems like you're just desperate to muddy the waters.
How do you know what was in the research paid for by the RNC, did you see the report. Do you think that GPS didn't use the prior research once they were paid by the DNC. The more important point is that Nunes is claiming that the dossier was used as the basis for at least one FISA Warrant. I find that language rather strange since it only claims one but possibly more, if he read the background why so vague.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:03 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Another link. Please type, not link, what has actually been corroborated.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Oh look at you, all excited that criminals may go free. Here is some advice, that is not going to happen. The charges made so far are completely unrelated to the topic of the FISA warrant.

Its like saying "hey we saw you murder 15 guys on camera at the local store, but then we messed up on our search warrant of your house, so you are free to go." Do you see how that is nonsense? Yeah. In fact...so far we have seen ZERO evidence come out of the FISA warrant. And yet, we got 2 people who have pled guilty, and another 2 indicted.


From all reports, this is corrupt to the core. There is no way any of these gentlemen's attorney's would let that slide.

If what is being reported is true, WATERGATE pales in comparison. I am saying "if"
Only difference, they got Nixon with a set up. This time, Trump caught them setting him up, call their bluff and it goes really deep and wide as the truth starts to come about slowly.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The charges so far are absolutely related to the FISA warrant. They got Michael Flynn on lying to the FBI because his testimony did not match the things they had from spying on him with that warrant. If that surveillance was illegal, he goes free. If that warrant was illegal any and all information gathered is inadmissible in court.

If the police come to your house with an illegal warrant or trumped up charges, they do not get to enter, search and then charge you for whatever they find. If so, law enforcement would be doing that every day and claiming "Ooops, our bad, no child pron here, but look we found drugs". This FISA issue is precisely why a warrant must be legally obtained.
That's a lot of "If's".


How do you know the FISA warrant wasn't obtained legally, based on Nunes statement.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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OK. So tell us. What information came from the FISA warrant that would change anything?
At the very least the information that got Michael Flynn in hot water came from the FISA warrant. It appears they used this FISA warrant to spy on the entire Trump campaign and transition team. If so, anything coming from the warrant would be inadmissible and this case is probably over.

You can't break the law in order to catch someone for breaking the law.
 
Old 01-24-2018, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There's absolutely no proof Wikileaks has anything to do with Russia. You posted an anonymous source claiming an anonymous source said so. Further still, the only way the US intelligence community could know if the DNC was hacked by the Russian was if Crowdstrike told them so. The DNC would not allow the FBI to inspect their server. Remember, Crowdstrike is owned by a former FBI exec who knows all the players in this scandal and a Russian hacker who rabidly hated Putin. No reasonable person would consider this proof of anything.
Serously? If it walks like a duck and quacks like duck and refuses to publish dirt on Russia...it's Assange, the Russian puppet.

"...We assess with high confidence that the GRU [Russia's Main Intelligence Directorate] relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks," the January 2017 intelligence report said. "Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self-proclaimed reputation for authenticity. Disclosures through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries."

...One of the first public relationships between Russia and WikiLeaks emerged in April 2012, when the Russian-government funded RT — forced this week to register with the U.S. as a foreign agent — gave Assange his own talk show...

...Izvestia, formerly a Russian state-owned newspaper, claimed the flight for National Security Agency (NSA) leaker Edward Snowden to Hong Kong was coordinated with Russian authorities and intelligence agencies. WikiLeaks claimed it had paid for the flight..."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-did...d-with-russia/

https://gizmodo.com/assange-turned-d...ing-1797954045

https://www.stopfake.org/en/how-russ...st-the-west-2/

WikiLeaks rejected documents on Russia during 2016 election: report | TheHill
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