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I wouldn't discount all educators, there are some who are military or LE, with that said, the majority that I've come across and still do, have zero interest in that kind of training, carrying a weapon etc.. The mindset just isn't there from what I've come across. Of course there are other variables that I'm leaving out, but for the most part, they don't see themselves in that way (engaging an active shooter, terrorist, etc..).
I think you would be surprised how many would be willing to protect the children and them selves.
I would be willing to sit at the door all day, one day a week and protect the children. I bet I could find enough volunteers if the teachers don't want to.
I think you would be surprised how many would be willing to protect the children and them selves.
Of course, I'm not saying there aren't any, just the ones I've worked with and been around (I was a school teacher for 9 years, and am married to a school teacher, I'm in LE now), anecdotal I know, but that's what I know. It also depends on the situation, variables abound.
The best way to protect campus security is to PAY for it.
Many High Schools are already understaffed. Many teachers are already overloaded with school works. Most parents will just wish their teachers pay more attention to the students than participating in drill at the shooting ranges.
Then don't complain when it happens. Plain and simple. Want to enable it and continue to perpetuate it? Don't complain that the sheep won't turn into sheep dogs to protect from the wolves.
You want to go and tear down every single school? And build them like fortresses?
My highschool was brand new construction in 2000.
It cost at that time 168 million dollars.
And it didn't have what you propose.
What's more cost effective and productive pertaining to the security of kids?
Voluntary faculty (could be a teacher, a janitor, a school bus driver, ANY staff member of the employing school) that is trained to thwart the threat as it arises, or building these fortresses of public schooling?
The training would occur on school grounds to address the threat that exists.
I would gladly volunteer my time and efforts in aiding in this program whether I am a "student" or a "bad guy" or even teach the basic principles to advanced techniques to thwart threats.
You prepare to pass tests by studying.
You prepare to address these threats by training.
Contrary to popular belief. You don't need the government to hold your hand for everything in life.
Thought experiment - given that the 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment exist, and none has been superseded by any other amendment, please list the steps you would need to execute in order to actually decrease the number of guns (and rounds of ammunition) in existence.
I am being totally serious. Explain the legal steps necessary to actually begin permanently removing guns from existence in the United States. I'd be interested to see the process you believe could accomplish this.
Then they don't get to blat when it happens as they enabled it by not taking the measures to secure it and are held liable for providing a target rich environment with no measures to protect life liberty and pursuits of happiness.
Carrying concealed weapons is a federal law protected by the constitution and states have the rights to regulate as they see fit.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Bearing arms, means openly carrying or concealed carrying. Some states don't even issue a license or permit to carry at all. Vermont and Missouri come to mind.
They believe in constitutional carry.
Only 8 states allow carrying concealed weapons without permit. All the other 42 states require state issued permits. And most State-issued permits are not good in the other states.
If it is a Federal law, try bring a gun and conceal under your jacket and come to my State. Show your weapon to the police and see if they will arrest you or not.
What does the wall have to do with it? Also, the last article I read about someone that crossed the border illegally, the man hammered the person in the head until the person was dead. Actually saw 2 articles on illegal aliens who hammered people to death.
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That is a lot. To be fair, a few of those were suicides. Not that it makes much of a difference but still.
Sort of makes a difference with suicide, as they would have found another way. I understand the internet has about 100 ideas for committing suicide. Probably had to do with the medications given, just listen to the ads about the side effects "feeling suicidal", anyone that can ponder suicide might want to take others with them. Most of the shooters in the past have been on medications.
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Yet the right thinks more guns is the answer...instead of banning them...and keeping them out of our schools...
Australia never has school shootings. Neither does the UK or Germany or Japan.
Why are we being held hostage with imminent gun bans?
Go to the parents about their kids. That’s where it starts.
How dare you mention that parents take personal responsibility for their children! Most of them rarely even see their children, and if there is an issue, give them psychotropic drugs, oops that will probably increase the chances of suicide or a mass shooting.
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Low intelligence is thinking that more laws are going to stop people.
Hint, it's already against the law...
Low intelligence, from the left, more law more law, I swear they'll listen this time....
Well, have immigration laws has certainly worked, oh wait................ Having laws against selling illegal drugs has worked, oh wait............. Having laws against drunk driving has worked, oh wait, alcohol related deaths exceed more than 10,000 a year. 10,000 a year banning alcohol would save 10,000 lives a year, because of course, people would follow that law.
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I live in a rural town of 8,000. There have been 4 home invasions here since November. They do happen.
Per the article, 1.03 million home invasions take place each year, 3.7 million homes are broken into (1 home invasion every 7 minutes). The DOJ reported that 1 million burglaries were committed with the people at home and 27% of them ended up as a victim or a violent crime.
We lived in small town in KS, less than 8,000 people. With a lot of elderly people still living in their homes, thieves started going in during the day when the resident(s) were present to rob them.
Many are just not aware of what is going on around them, because many cities try to hide the facts in order to present a better picture of the situation in their city.
Why is no one talking about saving lives by banning alcohol, alcohol impaired driving kills more children than school shootings?
When communists (ie american liberals or progressive Democrats) say that nobody should have guns...what they REALLY mean is, nobody except THEM and their police state operatives should have guns.
I wonder why they want the State to keep its guns but to disarm the population? hmm.
Well, they have also demonized the police, so they would only assign them billy clubs
Only 8 states allow carrying concealed weapons without permit. All the other 42 states require state issued permits. And most State-issued permits are not good in the other states.
If it is a Federal law, try bring a gun and conceal under your jacket and come to my State. Show your weapon to the police and see if they will arrest you or not.
No that's a state law not a federal law. What is a felony in your state is perfectly legal in many others.
If you believe a felony charge is a federal charge... Try again.
Again you missed the statement I made to waive faculty permit fees to be armed...
For states that do require a permit to carry, expedite the process for the faculty members.
Yet the right thinks more guns is the answer...instead of banning them...and keeping them out of our schools...
Australia never has school shootings. Neither does the UK or Germany or Japan.
It took two posts for foaming at the mouth gun-haters to politicize this tragedy. Are you suggesting that school shootings occur because firearms are allowed in schools?
Yes, we know. The solution to an overabundance of guns is...MORE GUNS!
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No, not more laws, less guns. YOUR solution to rampant gun violence is to ramp up the violence by putting MORE guns on the street.
That's the epitome of low intelligence thinking.
The last time I checked firearms were not an airborne contagion that could be spread through contact. A gun can't become animate and start shooting people on its own. It takes a person to pull the trigger, and a person can only use one gun at a time, and a gun can only be used by one person at a time. If the prevalence of guns causes violence, then why do murders never occur at places with high gun quotients like gun stores, shooting ranges, police stations, etc?
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banning alcohol would save 10,000 lives a year, because of course, people would follow that law.
