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If the left is so certain the wall won't work, then why not just let him build it and if it fails, use it against him? The left has never had a problem with wasting money before.
Trump's not going to trade Amnesty for just the wall, if he knows what's good for him. There has to be an end to chain migration, visa lottery etc.
Yes, it is going to be a "package" and the Dems are already whining about it per the article. You know the Dems "all or nothing", so this time they may be looking at nothing.
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Originally Posted by dothetwist
READ the story, honey. Chain migration will be allowed, but restricted to Parents and Children, no siblings.
You are wrong. It will be spouses and children ONLY per the article in the OP:
"Trump’s plan, which will be formally sent to the Senate on Monday, also includes a $25 billion “trust fund” for a border wall and additional security upgrades on both the southwest and northern U.S. borders. And the president will propose significant curbs to legal immigration channels, restricting the ability of U.S. citizens to petition for visas only for spouses and minor children and ending categories for parents and siblings. Both of those provisions are likely to engender fierce objections among liberal Democrats."
NO PARENTS AND NO SIBLINGS! If they want to keep the family together, they need to all go home!
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Originally Posted by greywar
Sooo...the parents who committed the crime will be allowed to become citizens......
No, "dothetwist" was incorrect per the article, see above.
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee
my prediction:
amnesty for the daca "kids" will never happen.
congress will never agree on a daca bill, much less pass one.
trump will renew daca with another eo in march with no path to citizenship and say he was willing to do it if the congress acted and given him a bill with the wall funding, end of chain migration, etc.....and they didn't.
That is a real possibility. They don't like that not ALL the illegal aliens in the country will get amnesty and that chain migration will not include all blood relatives, but it will look like the Dems were the issue and will help the GOP in the midterm 2018.
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Originally Posted by greywar
I do. While I feel the children are blameless, I do NOT feel the same about their parents. Their parents are criminals being rewarded for it.
Under the proposal, parents are not included in chain migration, just spouses and children. Sadly, those parents coming in legally, there children wait and don't get the benefit of having parents that disrespect our laws.
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Originally Posted by EastwardBound
If the left is so certain the wall won't work, then why not just let him build it and if it fails, use it against him? The left has never had a problem with wasting money before.
You know they just want votes. Plus they will need replacements for illegals that become legal and no longer want to do certain jobs.
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Originally Posted by marino760
Personally, I don't care what it costs. 25 billion is a bargain considering we spend more than that yearly on housing, feeding, educating and providing free health care for millions of illegals.
Yes, doing the math, it is a bargain. And, it will save the lives of Americans. Just too bad we can't put all the illegal aliens on the other side before securing the border.
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Originally Posted by marino760
It does not encourage current illegals to have more children here. This has nothing to do with them. Their children are American citizens no matter what.
Dacas have already had anchor babies, average age of Daca is 24 years old. I saw an article where they were whining that if they were deported, they would be separated from their anchor babies, so they have a backup plan, they think with anchors although that hasn't been working so well lately. Take their kids with them!
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Originally Posted by Hesychios
Obama was deporting people at a higher rate than his predecessor and his successor.
The concept is nice however there need to be some limitations. If you have a felony - you go home. If you have more than one misdemeanor you go home, but you can appeal and explain. If you have been on welfare for more than three years, you go home. If you have gone through bankruptcy more than once, you get a review board to determine whether you go home. If you have been a plaintiff in more than two civil lawsuits or a defendant in more than four, you get a review. If you have not ever paid taxes - go home. If you have been charged with failure to pay taxes more than once and still paid nothing - go home (maybe with a review option). If you have defaulted on more than one mortgage- review.
Then it would be ok.
$25 billion for the wall is fine as long as the wall is not really a wall the whole length of the border. Anyone who has been to the border at night kn some places understands why we need a wall or a something more than what we have in those areas. However a 1000 mile long physical wall is just plain silly.
Why not a moat with alligators and sharks?
There will limitations, over 2,000 have been charged with crimes and removed from DACA. They found many that have cheated. Started out at 800,000 and now down to 690,000 but now they want to add more.
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Originally Posted by Kevroqs
Without Trump, we wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration that much.
Those of us who have to look into the face of the plague that illegal aliens are to our country think about it every single day.
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
This is surprising coming from Trump. It appears that he has softened considerably on the illegal immigration issue.
Maybe he thinks this is the only way he can make a deal with the Democrats for the Wall. If that’s the case, then so be it.
BUILD THE WALL!
He started out being soft when it came to DACA, the one shortcoming I saw that he had. But, he had to know it would be a hard sell, that the Dems were willing to push the needs and safety of Americans aside in order to try to recruit a new group of badly needed voters for their party.
This whole DACA thing will help assure many Republicans a victory in 2018 and 2020.
This is a LONG way from being any kind of deal. Kind of just looks like a way to out the Democratic Party for what they are, and it isn't anything good!
No, it is not just about DACA. There are 800K DACAs, and Trump is giving amnesty to 1.8 million illegals.
That includes people that were eligible for DACA and never applied for it. Your statement is false. It's not open to illegals in general. 1.8 million is the total number that is believed that were eligible for DACA when the program was terminated. That's it.
Yes, it is going to be a "package" and the Dems are already whining about it per the article. You know the Dems "all or nothing", so this time they may be looking at nothing.
You are wrong. It will be spouses and children ONLY per the article in the OP:
"Trump’s plan, which will be formally sent to the Senate on Monday, also includes a $25 billion “trust fund” for a border wall and additional security upgrades on both the southwest and northern U.S. borders. And the president will propose significant curbs to legal immigration channels, restricting the ability of U.S. citizens to petition for visas only for spouses and minor children and ending categories for parents and siblings. Both of those provisions are likely to engender fierce objections among liberal Democrats."
NO PARENTS AND NO SIBLINGS! If they want to keep the family together, they need to all go home!
No, "dothetwist" was incorrect per the article, see above.
That is a real possibility. They don't like that not ALL the illegal aliens in the country will get amnesty and that chain migration will not include all blood relatives, but it will look like the Dems were the issue and will help the GOP in the midterm 2018.
Under the proposal, parents are not included in chain migration, just spouses and children. Sadly, those parents coming in legally, there children wait and don't get the benefit of having parents that disrespect our laws.
You know they just want votes. Plus they will need replacements for illegals that become legal and no longer want to do certain jobs.
Yes, doing the math, it is a bargain. And, it will save the lives of Americans. Just too bad we can't put all the illegal aliens on the other side before securing the border.
Dacas have already had anchor babies, average age of Daca is 24 years old. I saw an article where they were whining that if they were deported, they would be separated from their anchor babies, so they have a backup plan, they think with anchors although that hasn't been working so well lately. Take their kids with them!
No, see below.
Yep, you beat me to it.
There will limitations, over 2,000 have been charged with crimes and removed from DACA. They found many that have cheated. Started out at 800,000 and now down to 690,000 but now they want to add more.
Those of us who have to look into the face of the plague that illegal aliens are to our country think about it every single day.
He started out being soft when it came to DACA, the one shortcoming I saw that he had. But, he had to know it would be a hard sell, that the Dems were willing to push the needs and safety of Americans aside in order to try to recruit a new group of badly needed voters for their party.
This whole DACA thing will help assure many Republicans a victory in 2018 and 2020.
This is a LONG way from being any kind of deal. Kind of just looks like a way to out the Democratic Party for what they are, and it isn't anything good!
Of course they want votes! I think almost everyone knows that, even the most deranged liberal! They aren't fooling anyone!
No, it is not just about DACA. There are 800K DACAs, and Trump is giving amnesty to 1.8 million illegals.
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Originally Posted by marino760
That includes people that were eligible for DACA and never applied for it. Your statement is false. It's not open to illegals in general. 1.8 million is the total number that is believed that were eligible for DACA when the program was terminated. That's it.
Exactly. If they would just read the articles, it would make it a lot easier to not have to explain every detail! I suspect many will not qualify and that is why they didn't apply previously.
So, Trump would side with giving the Democrats a dictatorship to please some greedy corporate pieces of crap? Perhaps it's time to start pulling from the Union.
You have to admit how shrewd Trump is. It's a win win for him. If his proposal is approved he gets the wall with all the bells and whistles.
If it's not approved, Dems are going to appear to not give a hoot about the DACA recipients. They will go down in shame for not helping DACAs and being totally unwilling to compromise.
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