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Old 01-25-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Southern West Virginia
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so why are those lower courts disregarding the supreme court decision...
That case has nothing to do with this. That case expanded the scope of eminent domain from taking for "public use/governments purpose" (roads, railroads, border areas etc) to "public benefit" (to build a privately owned shopping area) as well.

The cases are tied up because they are fighting over the value of the property.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Yes. Sounds like you have a problem with that??? Some of these folks have been here 50 years. If our government didn't do anything about them for that long, well, it's silly to make them go back now. Even trump sees that.
I have a problem with that. A big one. We're told that these DACA kids were brought here "through no fault of their own." So it sounds like their parents are at "fault." So we're going to reward people who we find fault with? Ridiculous.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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Reagan was a strong supporter of amnesty for undocumented immigrants. Times were different back then and the GOP was not yet a white nationalist party. Reagan would not be loved by today's Republicans.

Here are his own words from some 80s debates.

“I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here even though some time back they may have entered illegally,”

“Rather than… talking about putting up a fence, why don’t we… make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit? Then, while their working and earning here, they pay taxes here, and when they want to go back, they can go back.”

Internet myth: Ronald Reagan regretted legali | The Daily Caller
Reagan wouldn't have been a fan of "free" healthcare and "free" university education either. If you want to have these things you can't just make anyone who wanders into your country and stays here for a while a citizen.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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Not worth it. The wall is going to be a massive failure. Many people come in legally through us customs and overstay their visa.The eminent domain issues alone will cost tons of $ and the court cases will be tied up for years. Farmers won't be able to access the Rio Grande for irrigation. Wildlife populations will be separated by the wall.

Illegals will just go under or over the wall. I think we should have drones with FLIR cameras (which detect heat, so a person is easily spotted, even at night) that track the illegals crossing the border and then apprehend them once they get to a point where it is accessible for border patrol to apprehend them.

Hire more border patrol agents. This will create jobs and will protect our border. Win-win for the people living by the border.

The wall just won't work and isn't worth all of that money.
Only in delusional minds will building a wall work.The mexican border is 1,954 miles. Even if they build more pieces there will still be areas in which people could cross. Not to mention there are many other ways to cross, like legally, borrowing a passport/id from somebody who looks similar, hidden in cars/trucks, and many more creative forms.

More border security will only result in more people getting caught, but people will continue to try to cross. In other words, border security is like giving an aspirin for cancer patients, it may help relieving some pain for a few hours but it won't fix the problem.

The problem is not just something that foreign countries have to fix. It is a consequence of the irrational state of the economy. Mexican don't want to leave their country any more than american want to move to mexico, but all the policies on trade, war on drugs, and deregulation force people to look for a better life.

For those who keep calling illegal immigrants criminals for crossing international borders, remember that they are wanted by american employers. In fact, in many cases they are preferred.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:44 PM
 
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No, you know what they are ? They are HUMAN BEINGS. Human beings who, for the most part, have done nothing wrong except being born in abject poverty, and who want a better life. A life like you and I have, thanks to a God who planted us here, instead of across some imaginary line called a "border".

The vast majority of them are hard workers who hold 2-3 jobs to support their families, and kids who they are trying to get educated so that they can have a better shot at life than their parents. You paint them as monsters.........rapists, murderers, and drug dealers, but the reality is, they are simply families, families who live in fear every day that one or more of them will be ripped away and sent to a land they left decades ago.

We humans need to be very ashamed of ourselves that we can have no regard for the plights and suffering of fellow human beings.......especially when they have a different skin color or maybe speak a different language.
All right human being, go wander into Canada and live there illegally for a while and then tell them that they need to give you a "path to citizenship." See what they tell you. Or try it in any other country for that matter. It doesn't fly anywhere else, so why should it fly here?
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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again I ask ...are the feds not offering just compensation?..

who says its pennies on the dollar... got a link?



**and again I don't agree with ED**
https://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/51689...on-border-wall

Median pay out was $12,600, and cut peoples property in half.
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:46 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Chess move by Trump...

the ball is in the Democrats court now.

THey either accept the deal...thereby freeing 1.8 Dreamers and other illegals...and give Trump the wall + security and new immigration laws...

or, the deny the deal...dissapoint and fail the dreamers, and reject new security laws...

Either way, they look bad
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:51 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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All right human being, go wander into Canada and live there illegally for a while and then tell them that they need to give you a "path to citizenship." See what they tell you. Or try it in any other country for that matter. It doesn't fly anywhere else, so why should it fly here?
It shouldn't now or before. It sends the wrong message to the rest of the world. It tells the world our laws aren't worth the paper they are written on. It says the only thing our government officials are interested in is getting votes. Most of what is wrong with America started in the early 60's. That is when our downfall started. That's when the Mafia took over our government.

I remember when people who crossed over our nation's wall were shot. Doing that to keep us safe was just a horrible thing so you see where it has gotten us. We are not safe and they are still coming over the wall.

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Old 01-25-2018, 06:59 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Chess move by Trump...

the ball is in the Democrats court now.

THey either accept the deal...thereby freeing 1.8 Dreamers and other illegals...and give Trump the wall + security and new immigration laws...

or, the deny the deal...dissapoint and fail the dreamers, and reject new security laws...

Either way, they look bad
So the idea is to make Democrats look bad? Is that the goal we should be aiming for? How about doing what needs to be done such as giving a few months so all illegals can have a chance to go home before they get arrested and deported to an island or country somewhere? That would solve the problem and send a message that our immigration laws are not to be taken for granted. An illegal is a criminal already. They shouldn't have to commit any other crime to be deported.
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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So Obama's inaction is going to cost us $25 billion.
The $25 Billion does not vanish into thin air. It will go to the businesses who do the construction and the people they employ. Of all the money we send in foreign aid or all the stuff our military is doing around the world this is a much better use of taxpayer money.

And DACA will be solved.

It would be nice to see come compromise on both sides for a change.
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