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Old 01-30-2018, 06:37 AM
 
Location: DFW
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WRONG. What Trump and the GOP have done to Obamacare has resulted in millions losing health coverage.
Wrong. OCare has been going up price wise since 2011 and more and more people can no longer afford. This disaster still lies at the feet of your savior.

People electing to walk away from expensive coverage is far different than people "losing" their coverage.

More Democrat lies.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:07 AM
 
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The fact that anyone can walk into an Emergency Room and get treated negates the notion that health care is not a right.

If health care is not a right, then hospitals could refuse to treat those who show up without an insurance card in hand.
True medical emergency treatment we have made a right via EMTALA. But that is only a small part of HC.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:11 AM
 
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Wrong. OCare has been going up price wise since 2011 and more and more people can no longer afford. This disaster still lies at the feet of your savior.

People electing to walk away from expensive coverage is far different than people "losing" their coverage.

More Democrat lies.
Where's Trump's healthcare for everyone that the government's going to pay for? Insurance costs were increasing long before Obamacare but now that Trump has made these promises, where is the delivery?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQFItVBKlAU
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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I've had to pay for my own insurance for the last 25 years. It used to go up 4-6% a year but since 2011 and Obamacare going into effect it has probably averaged 25% a year.

So a 25-30% increase is the norm since Ocare was passed. I'd be surprised if it was anything less.
It varies by region a whole lot. My wife's barely rose for 2018.
But you have to know that you are 'getting more' with Obamacare, even if you don't want or need it it. Most importantly pre-existing coverage and no payout limits. Also no copay preventatives.

That being said, HC is too expensive for our broad middle class. IMO the only way to relieve that is through central controls and/or central payments.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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The first projections for Trumpcare 2019 are in: Expect rate increases of up to 30%

Looks like he has a great healthcare plan. Actually the interesting thing thats pointed out is that this will impact those making 4X the poverty limit, as the subsidies will shelter the poorer folks.

2019 will be the first time we see the impacts of the war on the ACA. Will it really be 30% as the study estimates? Barring some changes I can see that occurring.

Poor Dear.

The law of the land is still Obamacare.

Glad to have cleared this up for you.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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WRONG. What Trump and the GOP have done to Obamacare has resulted in millions losing health coverage. They own the mess they are creating. What is left is not what was originally passed and everyone knows that. Trump said on the campaign trail that he would give everyone health coverage - better coverage - and the government would pay for it. TRUMP LIED.
They repealed the mandate.

That just means that people who were forced to buy insurance that they may not have even wanted.....or indeed, could actually afford to use due to outrageously high deductibles will no longer be compelled to purchase a useless product.

That's an entirely different thing than "losing coverage".

Again......you don't "help" 20 million people by screwing over 300 million others.

That's what Obamacare did and that's why Trump was elected to kill it.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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You support him and think what ever he has done is the best. This is why you are in all these threads supporting obama. Call it what you want, I'll call it what I want. Just as you call trump the man-child.

Obama, who you clearly support also stated that all Americans would be covered under his plan. I noticed you failed to respond to that, why? Could it be that if you told the truth, you'd have to be honest?

I lap nothing, sorry, maybe you should stop listening to CNN, MSNBC, or NBC and actually look around at what is really happening?
Yes, all Americans can be covered by ACAif they can afford the premiums. I am grateful for that, but am eagerly looking forward to Medicare in a few years.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The fact that anyone can walk into an Emergency Room and get treated negates the notion that health care is not a right.

If health care is not a right, then hospitals could refuse to treat those who show up without an insurance card in hand.


Emergency rooms often route people to different hospitals.

And people are still expected to pay....even if they can't or don't, the matter will go to collections.

All emergency rooms do is stabilize patients anyways.

It's not like you can walk into an emergency room and get a free MRI or non emergency surgery.
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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They repealed the mandate.

That just means that people who were forced to buy insurance that they may not have even wanted.....or indeed, could actually afford to use due to outrageously high deductibles will no longer be compelled to purchase a useless product.

That's an entirely different thing than "losing coverage".

Again......you don't "help" 20 million people by screwing over 300 million others.

That's what Obamacare did and that's why Trump was elected to kill it.
Killing the mandate results in increased costs for everyone else. The more people that are insured, the cheaper it is for everyone else. With fewer insured, there are less people to cover the costs of an expensive to treat patient. It's simply the law of averages. So yes, Trump and the GOP have increased health care costs for those who will remain insured. That is a fact.

A country like Canada can give health coverage for everyone at a lower cost because everyone has it. It costs them maybe a hundred a month (for some reason I remember $85 but that was years ago). We will never have that because of the Republican party.
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Old 01-30-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Killing the mandate results in increased costs for everyone else. The more people that are insured, the cheaper it is for everyone else. With fewer insured, there are less people to cover the costs of an expensive to treat patient. It's simply the law of averages. So yes, Trump and the GOP have increased health care costs for those who will remain insured. That is a fact.

A country like Canada can give health coverage for everyone at a lower cost because everyone has it. It costs them maybe a hundred a month (for some reason I remember $85 but that was years ago). We will never have that because of the Republican party.
You still believe that the ACA has/had anything to do with lowering healthcare costs? Nothing in Obamacare addressed the cost of healthcare. It was a forced Ponzi scheme that gave Big Insurance a guaranteed customer base. There is nothing in there to control the cost of health care.
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