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Old 01-28-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: 89434
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I am going to sneak into Disneyland. And when I get caught, I'm going to demand they let me stay and give me a lifetime pass. That's how ridiculous DACA is.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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How could American people know what they want on a subject which they have no clue about?

Your poll is a disgusting lie! And you know it’s a lie.

Do you know a pathway to citizenship already existed for all people including the illegals? Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
What lie? Please, be specific?
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Mom of Son Killed By DREAMer



'We Don't Owe Them Anything': Mom of Son Killed By DREAMer Rips Protests, Rejects Path to Citizenship | Fox News Insider
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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Dreamers are by definition, individuals who have never committed a crime and have grown up in America and been educated in American schools.

While I don't necessarily agree with most conservative immigration policies, I can at least understand the point of view. But the fight over the dreamers doesn't make a bit of sense, and I think that's the reason over 30 Republican Congressmen disagree with the larger stance of their party and support a pathway to citizenship.

I get not wanting to pay for people who came her illegally, who have manipulated the system, etc. But in the case of the dreamers, they came here as innocent children and at this point we've already paid to educate them. They've all either on their way or already are, educated adults who have never committed crime since arriving in the USA. In other words, they are worth money to our economy. Whether we wanted to or not, we've invested in these individuals and they're all set up to be a positive force on the economy.

If you wanted to kick these people out, the time to kick them out was just as they arrived here. Not after we already invested money into their educations. Why should we educate these people, set them up for a successful life and then boot them out for another country to reap the benefits of our investment?

Forget compassion. Just think of the simple dollars and cents. You don't buy a property, invest in it, improve it, and then just give it away for free. Why should you do this with people?

So if it makes economic sense, it's the compassionate thing to do and a bunch of republicans already support a pathway to citizenship, why do so many republicans and Trump still oppose a pathway to citizenship for dreamers?

The only reasons I can think of is that they're racist or not terribly bright.. or both.

ONLY if the citizens economically harmed by their continued presence are justly compensated. And that's not on the table.
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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What lie? Please, be specific?
Right over your head!

Read my post again, for God’s sake, please.

Do most Americans know that a pathway to citizenship for illegals has already existed?
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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As a legal immigrant, I fully support the already existed pathway to citizenship. It’s called “apply for legal immigration like every body else!”

What you want is not a pathway to citizenship. You want amnesty!
^^^^^ This.
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: San Francisco born/raised - Las Vegas
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I am open to a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. Would like to read all of the details.
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Most Americans are not economically harmed by it, and arguably gain from it.

Just compensate the economic losers and I'm okay with it.

Why is this so difficult?

And how come the polling NEVER addresses my question?
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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Right over your head!

Read my post again, for God’s sake, please.
Uh...I read it, which is why I responded by asking what lie.

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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
How could American people know what they want on a subject which they have no clue about?

Your poll is a disgusting lie! And you know it’s a lie.

Do you know a pathway to citizenship already existed for all people including the illegals? Why do we need to reinvent the wheel?
How do you know Americans don't know what the dreamers are, or what DACA is? Polls generally explain it before asking respondents for an answer.

What makes the polls a "disgusting lie"?

People are likely familiar that there are pathways to citizenship. I'd be very surprised if they didn't know that. You should give Americans more credit.
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Old 01-28-2018, 11:03 AM
 
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I am open to a pathway to citizenship for the dreamers. Would like to read all of the details.

Are you willing to compensate the citizens economically harmed by a path to citizenship for the dreamers?

There, apparently, is the rub.
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