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Old 01-30-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I love Karma

Smoking pot is a health risk, no way around it.
All the meanwhile cigarette smoking is banned from a lot of places, because of the health risk.
But pushing pot to be legal. Great message to our youth.

Just like government happily collecting taxes from the sale of tobacco while saying it causes disease and death, right? What a great message: 'As long as you pay the taxes you can sell death!'
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Old 01-30-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Directly inhaling any kind of smoke in our lungs irritates them and can lead to problems. I imagine vaping will be found to be equally toxic when they get around to properly studying it.
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Old 02-01-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Directly inhaling any kind of smoke in our lungs irritates them and can lead to problems. I imagine vaping will be found to be equally toxic when they get around to properly studying it.
Fortunately most intelligent people rely on peer reviewed studies and not your imagination for information.

Since vaping does not burn the plant material, you don't get the chemical reactions that burning (oxidation) creates, so the vapor from vaping does not contain the same chemical by-products that burning would.

Also, even in the case of burning the plant material, studies have shown that some of the smoke's chemical properties seem to have a protective effect against the formation of tumors and cancer.

In fact, there are studies that show that injection of cannabis extracts into tumors have made the tumors shrink by depriving the tumor of sustenance. Then there are also the less reliable but numerous personal accounts of people using cannabis extracts on skin cancer with some positive results.

Last, you can not compare a person who smokes a pack or more of tobacco a day to another person smoking a bowl or two of cannabis a day. It's obvious that the tobacco smoker is going to get far more exposure to smoke than the cannabis user. Vaping is not equivalent to either one.
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Old 02-02-2018, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Dennis Peron, the father of medical pot who helped push to legalize the drug, has died of lung cancer.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...alifornia-dies

There is a picture of him in the article proudly smoking his drugs. I hope other users stop before this happens to them too.
You are completely off base in this discussion. Smoking weed doesn't cause lung cancer. I hope other posters inform themselves before this happens again.

btw Smoking weed doesn't cause the white women to run of with blacks and get pregnant either.

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Old 02-02-2018, 02:39 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Dennis Peron, the father of medical pot who helped push to legalize the drug, has died of lung cancer.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...alifornia-dies

There is a picture of him in the article proudly smoking his drugs. I hope other users stop before this happens to them too.




Jim Fixx (Marathon Athlete) died on July 20, 1984, at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack

By your reasoning running killed a world class athlete so I hope everyone stops running.



Do you know how many people have died of lung cancer that never smoked anything at all? JEEZ!
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Old 02-02-2018, 05:44 AM
 
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Jim Fixx (Marathon Athlete) died on July 20, 1984, at age 52 of a fulminant heart attack

By your reasoning running killed a world class athlete so I hope everyone stops running.



Do you know how many people have died of lung cancer that never smoked anything at all? JEEZ!
Totally lame comparison
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Old 02-02-2018, 05:56 AM
 
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You are completely off base in this discussion. Smoking weed doesn't cause lung cancer. I hope other posters inform themselves before this happens again.

btw Smoking weed doesn't cause the white women to run of with blacks and get pregnant either.
You are completely off base on this subject.

It is a no brainer that putting any substance in lungs that do not belong there naturally can compromise the lung.
It's a lame and immature argument to say it does not.
If one wants to risk their lung health, so be it, but don't be ignorant around it or in denial.


Here is some research for you........

Marijuana and Lung Health | American Lung Association


Marijuana and Lung Health
The American Lung Association is concerned about the health impacts of marijuana use, especially on lung health. We caution the public against smoking marijuana because of the risks it poses to lung health.

Scientists are researching marijuana, and the American Lung Association encourages continued research into the health effects of marijuana use, especially on lung health.

Marijuana
How marijuana affects health is determined by how it's consumed. Marijuana is most commonly smoked, such as from pipes, bongs, paper-wrapped joints, blunts and other items including devices that heat or vaporize marijuana. It can also be consumed through foods and beverages, such as brownies or tea.

While this statement focuses on marijuana and lung health, it's important to note that there are other health concerns outside the lungs attributed to marijuana use that are not addressed here, including neurological and cognitive effects.

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.4-7

Beyond just what's in the smoke alone, marijuana is typically smoked differently than tobacco. Marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than cigarette smokers, which leads to a greater exposure per breath to tar.8

Secondhand marijuana smoke contains many of the same toxins and carcinogens found in directly inhaled marijuana smoke, in similar amounts if not more.5 While there is no data on the health consequences of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke, there is concern that it could cause harmful health effects, especially among vulnerable children in the home. Additional research on the health effects of secondhand marijuana smoke is needed.

Lung Health and Marijuana Smoke
Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung. Research shows that smoking marijuana causes chronic bronchitis and marijuana smoke has been shown to injure the cell linings of the large airways, which could explain why smoking marijuana leads to symptoms such as chronic cough, phlegm production, wheeze and acute bronchitis.4,9

Smoking marijuana has also been linked to cases of air pockets in between both lungs and between the lungs and the chest wall, as well as large air bubbles in the lungs among young to middle-aged adults, mostly heavy smokers of marijuana. However, it's not possible to establish whether these occur more frequently among marijuana smokers than the general population.4

Smoking marijuana can harm more than just the lungs and respiratory system - it can also affect the immune system and the body's ability to fight disease, especially for those whose immune systems are already weakened from immunosuppressive drugs or diseases, such as HIV infection.4,9

Smoking marijuana hurts the lungs' first line of defense against infection by killing cells that help remove dust and germs as well as causing more mucus to be formed. In addition, it also suppresses the immune system. These effects could lead to an increased risk of lower respiratory tract infections among marijuana smokers, although there is no clear evidence of such actual infections being more common among marijuana smokers.4,9 However, frequent marijuana-only smokers have more healthcare visits for respiratory conditions compared to nonsmokers.
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Old 02-02-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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You are completely off base on this subject.

It is a no brainer that putting any substance in lungs that do not belong there naturally can compromise the lung.
It's a lame and immature argument to say it does not.
If one wants to risk their lung health, so be it, but don't be ignorant around it or in denial.
Here is some research for you:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/

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In conclusion, while both tobacco and cannabis smoke have similar properties chemically, their pharmacological activities differ greatly. Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke. However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it. It is possible that as the cannabis-consuming population ages, the long-term consequences of smoking cannabis may become more similar to what is observed with tobacco. However, current knowledge does not suggest that cannabis smoke will have a carcinogenic potential comparable to that resulting from exposure to tobacco.
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Old 02-02-2018, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Dennis Peron, the father of medical pot who helped push to legalize the drug, has died of lung cancer.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...alifornia-dies

There is a picture of him in the article proudly smoking his drugs. I hope other users stop before this happens to them too.
AT age 72.

Do you know what the statistics note about advanced age and (all) types of cancer?

Further, why do you want to deny cancer patients any sort of treatment that has been shown to lessen side-effects of chemo, reduce pain and increase appetite?

Rather sadistic way of thinking, that.
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Old 02-02-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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We just need to make lung cancer illegal. Works for everything else, right?
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