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Old 02-07-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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No, it is difficult to understand because the statistics are complex.
If you say so. I don't agree that the statistics are the issue.

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The bloggers who criticize Jefferson are infectious disease specialists. They are physicians who take care of sick patients with flu. Jefferson is not a physician.
They sure do have a lot of time to blog for being such busy professionals. Tom Jefferson is an epidemiologist.

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The studies that have been done have not shown a link between autoimmune disease and vaccines. The Lancet link you yourself provided gives the information.
The evidence is limited and conflicting as I stated before.

That is the most detailed conflict of interest statement I've ever seen. I wish they were all like that.

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"In 2014 he was retained as a scientific adviser to a legal team acting on oseltamivir. TJ (Thomas Jefferson) has a potential financial conflict of interest in the drug oseltamivir."
I can see why Jefferson may have testified against Tamiflu as an expert witness based upon his teams findings.

 
Old 02-07-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Nope, didn't read them.

Did go back and randomly selected one on the first page:

Objectives
The aim of this study was to investigate whether the quadrivalent human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil is associated with a change in the risk of autoimmune disorders (ADs) in young female subjects.

Conclusions
No evidence of an increase in the risk of the studied ADs was observable following vaccination with Gardasil within the time periods studied. There was insufficient statistical power to allow conclusions to be drawn regarding individual ADs.



Pertinent. That was doing 5 secs for the search and 1 sec to click. I'm sure if I made an effort I could come up with more. But I do not have the same concern you do, so I have no motivation to really go look.

There are studies on most things, maybe not as many as you would like, maybe not as many as needed, but there are studies on what you claimed.
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Old 02-07-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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Nope, didn't read them.

Did go back and randomly selected one on the first page:

Objectives
The aim of this study was to investigate whether the quadrivalent human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil is associated with a change in the risk of autoimmune disorders (ADs) in young female subjects.

Conclusions
No evidence of an increase in the risk of the studied ADs was observable following vaccination with Gardasil within the time periods studied. There was insufficient statistical power to allow conclusions to be drawn regarding individual ADs.



Pertinent. That was doing 5 secs for the search and 1 sec to click. I'm sure if I made an effort I could come up with more. But I do not have the same concern you do, so I have no motivation to really go look.

There are studies on most things, maybe not as many as you would like, maybe not as many as needed, but there are studies on what you claimed.
Anyone can google but if you don't actually read what you google what good does it do? While some studies exist, there is not a large body of evidence and many of the studies are in conflict. It's not settled by any means as has been implied by others. I'm sorry but I've been looking at these studies for far longer then 5 seconds so forgive me for not being more grateful for your google search.
 
Old 02-07-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Anyone can google but if you don't actually read what you google what good does it do? While some studies exist, there is not a large body of evidence and many of the studies are in conflict. It's not settled by any means as has been implied by others. I'm sorry but I've been looking at these studies for far longer then 5 seconds so forgive me for not being more grateful for your google search.
LOL. Fair enough.

So now I'm curious - can you share those that show a correlation between vaccines and autoimmune disease?
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Old 02-07-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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LOL. Fair enough.

So now I'm curious - can you share those that show a correlation between vaccines and autoimmune disease?
Honestly there really isn't a lot on either side and much of it is not definitive, as in there are still a lot of unanswered questions in this realm.
Here's one though. Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

And here's an example of how those unanswered questions may play role in the decision to give certain vaccines to individuals with specific autoimmune disease.
https://resources.lupus.org/entry/do...s-cause-flares

https://www.verywell.com/do-thyroid-...u-shot-3233145 Under the section titled: The Controversy About Immunization for*Autoimmune Patients
 
Old 02-07-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Thank you for taking the time to share what you have been studying. Personally, I find what you posted no reason to have a concern about the correlation of vaccines and autoimmune disease.
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Old 02-07-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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Thank you for taking the time to share what you have been studying. Personally, I find what you posted no reason to have a concern about the correlation of vaccines and autoimmune disease.
I wouldn't say that I've been studying that particular link but over the years I've certainly read a lot on the matter as I do have autoimmune disease so it's of interest to me. I think everyone can and should decide for themselves what is their best path for health and based upon the available evidence, it makes sense that people will come to different conclusions. I'm all for choice.
 
Old 02-07-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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I wouldn't say that I've been studying that particular link but over the years I've certainly read a lot on the matter as I do have autoimmune disease so it's of interest to me. I think everyone can and should decide for themselves what is their best path for health and based upon the available evidence, it makes sense that people will come to different conclusions. I'm all for choice.

Agree, and thank goodness we have exactly that, choice.

I have autoimmune disease too, but the first one showed up before I started getting the flu vax.

I get the vax because I take autoimmune suppressors so it is wise, though I don't get sick a lot.
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Old 02-07-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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If you say so. I don't agree that the statistics are the issue.

They sure do have a lot of time to blog for being such busy professionals. Tom Jefferson is an epidemiologist.

The evidence is limited and conflicting as I stated before.

That is the most detailed conflict of interest statement I've ever seen. I wish they were all like that.


I can see why Jefferson may have testified against Tamiflu as an expert witness based upon his teams findings.
Which means, as was said, he is not a physician. Epis work with numbers, not people.

Fine. Then he should quit doing studies where he is supposed to be impartial about it. To do otherwise is unprofessional.
 
Old 02-07-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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Which means, as was said, he is not a physician. Epis work with numbers, not people.
Right, which makes his work with meta-analysis and studies very appropriate.

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Fine. Then he should quit doing studies where he is supposed to be impartial about it. To do otherwise is unprofessional.
Did he do the Tamiflu study before or after he testified as an expert witness against the makers? I'd love to see more specifics about that case.
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