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Old 02-04-2018, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Fresno, CA
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As for bias in the FBI and DOJ, it may be hard for the Base to grasp that a substantial portion of the population - including some of Trump's own cabinet members - DO think Trump to be an idiot.


True,obvious and common sense. Which doesn't fly with Trumpers. Many will be saying, "You're wrong, wrong, wrong. It can't be so." Others will will say, "Hah! See, they were out to get Trump! I knew it."

Anybody who has ever had an idiot boss, as is Trump, knows you don't check your brain at the door when you go into work. FBI and DOJ, whatever their outlook or political bent (they're not homogeneous), don't get (and stay) there by being stupid and/or openly partisan. You go into work, you do your job and you wait for the idiot to be gone. Which he/she will soon enough-idiots burn their bridges. As Trump does. The idiot always has a few supporters/ sycophants among the rank and file. And, yes, there are many that know it would be better if he was gone yesterday who commiserate with each other. Normal.

The issue is Trump is an unethical person who expects unquestioning loyalty and compliance. FBI and DOJ is based on a foundation of principles and integrity. It's the unethical president and his expectations vs. the ethically-based entities. You can navigate and negotiate, dodge and weave to get along. But, sometimes the rubber meets the road and your principles are tried and tested against someone who has few or none.

Trump think's he should have the king's due. FBI and DOJ knows he's president, not a despot or monarch. Their bedrock principles will remain when he's long gone. Still, treacherous charting those Trumpian waters.

Every workplace has a few less than exemplary employees. All employess make an occasional low-level mistake. And every workplace has a culture known to those within. From interviews with those from both the WH inner circle and those from the FBI/DOJ, one culture sounds horribly dysfunctional and another more stable, structured and principled overall. Let's see, a thin-skinned, impulsive, entitled, knee-jerk narcissistic sociopath, well-known for dysfunction and crookedness in behavior and direction vs. the FBI/DOJ? Hmm?

Guess which one Trumpers choose?
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:07 PM
 
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True,obvious and common sense. Which doesn't fly with Trumpers.
Guess which one Trumpers choose?
Trumpers? Your entire argument is simply the "Deplorables" argument. It didn't work for Hillary either.

How about addressing the content of the memo instead of giving your opinion of 10s of millions people that you don't know.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Trumpers? Your entire argument is simply the "Deplorables" argument. It didn't work for Hillary either.

How about addressing the content of the memo instead of giving your opinion of 10s of millions people that you don't know.
She addressed a lot in her post, but you only took out a portion of the whole thing.... you know, kinda like the Republican memo.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:16 PM
 
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Not so. All the underlying documentation will be declassified and released. Both left & right want it released so it will be. Then we'll have the ongoing IG report in less than a month that will also help sort this out. Then, we may get the FISA applications declassified. All of that should come out prior to anything from Mueller.
We'll have to agree to disagree. Seriously doubt that you'll see any TOP SECRET material declassified and released to the public until many years in the future, or in a court of law, as needed to convict some of the major players.

Materials are classified TOP SECRET because they may cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security, but there are other reasons: to protect methods and to save lives. A recent example of this is the murder of General Oleg Erovinkin, who didn't last long once Steele began sharing his information. The general may not have been the leaker, but he bore ultimate responsibilty.

"While the Ulyukaev case and the Rosneft transactions certainly contribute to the air of conspiracy around Erovinkin’s death, it is more than likely that the Steele dossier did him in.

Although the dossier was not published on the web until two weeks after Erovinkin died, the Kremlin was doubtless aware of its contents well before this. Simpson had conveyed much of the material to American journalists in the autumn of 2016, and, according to the Harding book: “For months, reporters on the national security beat and Moscow correspondents had been working feverishly to substantiate the allegations.â€

In fact, the arrests in December of high-level FSB officers responsible for cyber operations were widely assumed to be set off by Steele’s revelations that the Trump campaign had colluded in the Russian cyber attacks against the Clinton campaign that were revealed by U.S. intelligence agencies.

However much Trump’s defenders want to dismiss the dossier as a fake concocted by the president’s enemies, the fallout from it in Russia, including at least one highly probable murder, suggests that much of what Steele reported is fact."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/was-th...steele-dossier
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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It's much ado about nothing. A HYUGGGHH, nothingburger.,

Bunch of A$$wippees.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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She addressed a lot in her post, but you only took out a portion of the whole thing.... you know, kinda like the Republican memo.
The rest of it was a long personal diatribe against Trump.

Neither (the deplorables argument) pass as argument in defense of against the memo.

Bottom line. The release of the Memo was very damaging to the Democrats, Hillary, Obama and the MSM. So I get why supporters of these want to make it about Trump's supporters instead.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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Trump, Gowdy, and Nunes laid bare how the FISA process works, what level of documentation is needed for a FISA surveillance, ...

Revealed to the whole world that Carter Page, an American citizen, is under surveillance.

"Unnamed" sources leaked Page's FISA warrant over 9 month's ago.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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The rest of it was a long personal diatribe against Trump.

Neither (the deplorables argument) pass as argument in defense of against the memo.

Bottom line. The release of the Memo was very damaging to the Democrats, Hillary, Obama and the MSM. So I get why supporters of these want to make it about Trump's supporters instead.

How was the memo damaging to Dems, Hillary, Obama and MSM. I'm not getting what you are saying.
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:49 PM
 
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How was the memo damaging to Dems, Hillary, Obama and MSM. I'm not getting what you are saying.
Addressed by me previously in these posts.

//www.city-data.com/forum/50904581-post1048.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/50914683-post1851.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/50903688-post962.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/50903930-post993.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/50903985-post997.html

And of course there was this before it was even released.

UPDATE: White House Snubs Deep State - Says They Will Release Memo Without Redactions
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Old 02-04-2018, 04:51 PM
 
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That really didn't address it, but I can tell your mind is made up.
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