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Originally Posted by Goodnight
The more I think about it I would rather the Democrats not even provide their own memo, the Nunes memo was really close to nothing but it did name individuals and provide some insight into our warrant process. I don't see any of this changing anyone's mind, so what's the point. Schiff already indicated there was information omitted and some general comments.
Let Nunes continue down this path, he looks foolish and his supposed investigation is going no where. They need to get back to fighting the Russians not attacking or defending the FBI.
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PilgrimsProgress claimed that “FBI McCabe and Simpson of Fussion GPS both testified under oath that they couldn't verify anything.” Asking for factual support for that claim is totally reasonable. If you can see that because of your partisan hate, you should perhaps take a few deep breaths and think about what you have become.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
They tried 2 times prior and were denied. Yes, a FISA Court Judge denied them twice prior, to the Dossier's appearance and then with it a FISA Warrant issued. That warrant was not just used to listen in on Carter Page. They used it to listen in on the entire Trump campaign.
Without the Dossier no FISA judge would issue a warrant. You know how odd it is, for a FISA Judge not to issue a warrant, when they give them out like candy.
Carter Page is a US Citizen. Not a Foreigner. How does FISA issue a warrant to listen in on an American Citizen?
How?
How?
How?
FISA used to spy on Americans. Carter Page was not the only one.
Samantha Powers had a desk at the NSA just to look at everything Trump and now she is saying, she doesn't know how someone else used her name to log into the database.
FISA Warrants used to spy on over 30,000 Americans. Americans... Americans!!!
HOW??????????
Hmmmm Where in the world are you getting the number 30,000? Since a FISA is good for only 90 days, in order to monitor this number of people there must be 120,000 new requests or renewals per year.
That has to be some busy court to approve that number.
I thought I heard low thousands but not even sure if that is per year or entire history.
Say it was 3,000 and these 3,000 called their mothers, father's, spouses, kids once per year. That might bring us to the type of number you claim.
The more I think about it I would rather the Democrats not even provide their own memo, the Nunes memo was really close to nothing but it did name individuals and provide some insight into our warrant process. I don't see any of this changing anyone's mind, so what's the point. Schiff already indicated there was information omitted and some general comments.
Let Nunes continue down this path, he looks foolish and his supposed investigation is going no where. They need to get back to fighting the Russians not attacking or defending the FBI.
They should provide it. I want to see what they have that says why they fought so hard to try and stop it. The Nunes Memo is "something" and exposes the FBI select individuals that need to be investigated. No one cares what the Lapdog Schiff has to say, since everyone knows he is just a Democrat Lackey and Schumer's/Pelosi's Lap Dog. He has no credibility at all.
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Originally Posted by golgi1
I'm curious to why there is a "Democrat rebuttal" to a memo that addresses a law enforcement investigation of the Republicans.
By definition, a law enforcement investigation is not supposed to be politically motivated. The Nunes memo claims that it is, and provides proof for such. It isn't legal action against the democrats and thus requires no defense. This memo is not offense but defense in an investigation.
It's only purpose is to give information that may shed light on the unjust nature of an investigation. If this is so, the investigation could be stopped.
A continuing democrat push, in a counter-memo, for a "non-political" investigation of a conservative president seems only to serve to validate that the democrats have an interest and have taken action to assure a legal investigation of the opposing party.
Thus, any party actors within the federal government also could be politically motivated. Indeed, this is what the Nunes memo claims.
I'll be curious to see if a democratic rebuttal doesn't backfire on them. It probably will if it contains any accusatory material, as opposed to merely defensive material. We'll see if they can make the distinction.
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Originally Posted by trobesmom
No they didn't. And no it isn't. Some of it has been corroborated. The investigation was started before the dossier was even an issue. Carter Page was on the radar before the dossier was even an issue.
Oh come on T-mom. BB had come 1/2 to admitting a point and you should have praised that.
This whole saga is going to be difficult for so many people no matter the out come.
Carter Page is giving an interview to Laura Ingraham on the Ingraham Angle on Fox this hour. Hopefully the clip will be grabbed and put up on youtube later if you miss it. He will tell why he took trips to Russia.
Carter Page is giving an interview to Laura Ingraham on the Ingraham Angle on Fox this hour. Hopefully the clip will be grabbed and put up on youtube later if you miss it. He will tell why he took trips to Russia.
Just now sitting down to the tube, an hour to go before Laura.
Grassley-Graham Memo:
" One memorandum by Mr. Steal that was not published by BuzzFeed is dated October 19th 2016. The report alleges (redacted) as well as (redacted) Mr. Steel memorandum states that his company received this report from (redacted).
Wonder what that one says.
US state department, " that the report was the second in a series, and that the report was information that came from a foreign sub-source who "is in touch with redacted, a contact of redacted, a friend of the clintons, who passed it to redacted." it is troubling enough that the Clinton campaign funded mr. Steel's work, but that these Clinton Associates were contemporaneously feeding mr. Steal allegations raised additional concerns about his credibility."
This stuff shows, from what I see here, that Clinton and Obama are all over this.
Steele briefed NYY, Wapo, Yahoo, the New Yorker, CNN...
Questions for Comey... Why didn't you tell fisa court dossier was financed by Hillary and that she hired Fusion gps? Tell Fisa judge Steele briefed Yahoo about dossier? Rely on dossier to get Fisa warrant in the first place without corroborating it? Tell Trump and Congress about who paid for Dossier? Why brief Trump and Obama about dossier even though you said it was unverified?
Steele was in contact with friends of Hillary Clinton and members of the Barack Hussein Obama State Dept. Steele then put together a second dossier. These friends of Hillary Clinton are feeding Steele allegations.
This is then used for a fisa warrant, and the fisa judges isn't told a number of things, one being that Clinton paid for it.
"Mr. Steele gathered much of his information from Russian government sources inside of Russia. The FBI director on June 17 told tbe incoming President elect it was salacious information, which he months before used that dossier under an affidavit, a case of perjury, to get a search warrant to spy on Trump associates.
They knew it was a false document and mislead the judge.
The FBI has to do two things,
1) identify a potential crime, of which there was none because collusion is not a crime, and
2) have to have substantiated facts, which a dossier is not.
Names, Cody Cher sp?, Cindy Bloomenthal, Jonathan Winter...not from Mad Mad World...
Chuck Schumer... They'll get you six ways to Sunday.
Also, Steele was a vocal opponent of Trump and was desperate to keep him from being President. ITs also proven that the Investigators in the FBI where Trump haters too, since their e-mails have been exposed as such and can not be mistaken or spun to mean something else, plus McCabe was ousted . He is not gone for doing nothing wrong. . Not rocket science. Its like the game connecting dots.
So what you have is Steele didn’t like Trump.
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