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Old 02-06-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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NYTs has asked the courts to unseal the FISA warrant on Page.

Perhaps now we'll all get a good look at the 40 pieces of evidence in the documents supporting the FISA warrant.

Well played, Mr. Nunes. Well played.
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Old 02-06-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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With the committee unanimously voting to release the minority memo, it will be very interesting to see what Trump does here. If any of the republican committee members had any issues with it or felt it needed to be heavily redacted, they would have voted no or made those recommendations.

The point being, Nunes himself called for complete transparency, so that would mean we get to see both memos "clean and unscrubbed." If Trump, in order to protect himself or those around him, decides to not release the memo or make a lot of redactions, it will reflect very poorly on him.

The ball is in POTUS' court, he has five days. I'm excited to see how this plays out.
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Old 02-06-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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NYTs has asked the courts to unseal the FISA warrant on Page.

Perhaps now we'll all get a good look at the 40 pieces of evidence in the documents supporting the FISA warrant.

Well played, Mr. Nunes. Well played.
It will likely be unsealed, and that hopefully soon. But it is not likely to happen because the NYT requested it.

The Republicans are pushing to have these documents declassified. The release of the memo over the objections of the DOJ/FBI established the new precedent for releasing information to the public. That was one of the biggest accomplishments there. Now we should expect to see a lot more of that going forward.

Be careful what you ask for. You might just get it.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:41 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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It will likely be unsealed, and that hopefully soon. But it is not likely to happen because the NYT requested it.

The Republicans are pushing to have these documents declassified. The release of the memo over the objections of the DOJ/FBI established the new precedent for releasing information to the public. That was one of the biggest accomplishments there. Now we should expect to see a lot more of that going forward.

Be careful what you ask for. You might just get it.
It should all be released and let the chips fall where they may. Too much of this investigation/scandal/witch hunt or whatever term one uses has been hidden from public view which has allowed this hyper-partisanship to fester and grow.
It has also fueled wild accusations and claims of this or that being collusion,conspiracy,treason etc. etc. etc.

For the good of the nation this has to be stopped using the best disinfectant called SUNSHINE. If you Democrats/Progressives/Socialists/Never Trumpers really believe the FBI/DOJ did nothing wrong and all was legal AND If you GOP/Conservatives/Far Rights/Fascists really believe that it was a cabal set up to attack the President to take him down or at the very least severely hobble him then BOTH groups should want as much of the truth to come out as possible to PROVE what y'all think.

If all these releases show the heads of the FBI/DOJ and/or the White House conspired to attack Trump and hobble him/remove him from office then heads should roll. If it shows otherwise then we should know that as well and appropriate actions taken be it jail or whatever. THAT is all that both sides should be demanding right now, full disclosure. Not these political spin "memos" that we're now seeing but the whole enchilada, supporting documents,FISA applications,FISA Warrants with testimony from all involved INCLUDING the Judge if needed.

Having all this drama going on does neither side any good in the long term THAT is a fact.

Congress as a whole will never,ever get on the same page to demand it due to their partisanship and political infighting so setting the record straight is left for the public on both sides of the isle to come together to loudly demand it as this has to stop for the good of the nation.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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It should all be released and let the chips fall where they may. Too much of this investigation/scandal/witch hunt or whatever term one uses has been hidden from public view which has allowed this hyper-partisanship to fester and grow.
It has also fueled wild accusations and claims of this or that being collusion,conspiracy,treason etc. etc. etc.

For the good of the nation this has to be stopped using the best disinfectant called SUNSHINE. If you Democrats/Progressives/Socialists/Never Trumpers really believe the FBI/DOJ did nothing wrong and all was legal AND If you GOP/Conservatives/Far Rights/Fascists really believe that it was a cabal set up to attack the President to take him down or at the very least severely hobble him then BOTH groups should want as much of the truth to come out as possible to PROVE what y'all think.

If all these releases show the heads of the FBI/DOJ and/or the White House conspired to attack Trump and hobble him/remove him from office then heads should roll. If it shows otherwise then we should know that as well and appropriate actions taken be it jail or whatever. THAT is all that both sides should be demanding right now, full disclosure. Not these political spin "memos" that we're now seeing but the whole enchilada, supporting documents,FISA applications,FISA Warrants with testimony from all involved INCLUDING the Judge if needed.

Having all this drama going on does neither side any good in the long term THAT is a fact.

Congress as a whole will never,ever get on the same page to demand it due to their partisanship and political infighting so setting the record straight is left for the public on both sides of the isle to come together to loudly demand it as this has to stop for the good of the nation.
oh yeah..revealing the identity of informants to the public is just a wonderful idea. Have you ever thought of the implications of that, how would the government ever get people to tell them anything?. Or is it that Cult45 doesn't care about national security, the whole goal is to protect dear leader no matter what the cost?
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:53 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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oh yeah..revealing the identity of informants to the public is just a wonderful idea. Have you ever thought of the implications of that, how would the government ever get people to tell them anything?. Or is it that Cult45 doesn't care about national security, the whole goal is to protect dear leader no matter what the cost?
That's a lame excuse given what we know now and what we've seen out of the left so far. Wasn't the release of the Nunes Memo supposed to destroy the intelligence agencies, get people murdered and cause the sky to fall?

C'mon, time to quit hiding behind the skirts of mommy secrecy. This issue has been blown up so large by intentional political maneuvering leaks, posturing,opinions and lies the only way out now is total disclosure.
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Old 02-06-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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oh yeah..revealing the identity of informants to the public is just a wonderful idea. Have you ever thought of the implications of that, how would the government ever get people to tell them anything?. Or is it that Cult45 doesn't care about national security, the whole goal is to protect dear leader no matter what the cost?
I agree unsealing this over Page would be a mistake, revealing sources and procedures would be exactly what Russia and terrorist organizations would want. This should be addressed internally.
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Old 02-06-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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I agree unsealing this over Page would be a mistake, revealing sources and procedures would be exactly what Russia and terrorist organizations would want. This should be addressed internally.
The Russians who Hillary Clinton and the DNC collaborated with during the last campaign to produce the "dossier," a partisan political smear document, portions of which were released to the press prior to the election, for the purpose of influencing the outcome of the election?

Those Russians?
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Old 02-06-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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That's a lame excuse given what we know now and what we've seen out of the left so far. Wasn't the release of the Nunes Memo supposed to destroy the intelligence agencies, get people murdered and cause the sky to fall?

C'mon, time to quit hiding behind the skirts of mommy secrecy. This issue has been blown up so large by intentional political maneuvering leaks, posturing,opinions and lies the only way out now is total disclosure.
You really don't care do you? The only thing that matters is blaming the left and saving Trump. That's really sad.
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Old 02-06-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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The Russians who Hillary Clinton and the DNC collaborated with during the last campaign to produce the "dossier," a partisan political smear document, portions of which wer released to the press prior to the election, for the purpose of influencing the outcome of the election?

Those Russians?
Posting the same lies over multiple threads won't make them true. This isn't The Art of the Deal. Repeating a falsehood three times doesn't work on anyone but low-information people.
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