Nunes Memo to be Released (Congress, attorney, FBI, controversial)
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Yeah, sure. No partisan spin in that response at all is there? First off was he using the "royal" we or "we" as in the whole committee that voted or?
Considering everything that Schiff has said so far with respect to both memos I tend to only believe about 1/10th of what is said... IF in fact the Schiff memo contains processes and sources that are really meant to be kept secret why would he/they put them in there other than to play games?
I think the Schiff memo should be released as written with NO redactions at all and if it compromises anything secret or sensitive then it's on the person/people who wrote it as they know better, let THEM pay the price...
The article stated that Trump may make redactions. The president won't be the one making redactions, it would be the FBI/DOJ making the redactions, it's their classified information.
It's already been reported that Schiff put things in his memo that would reveal sources, and methods.
If that is true, it would be more games by Schiff.
Trump stated he would approve the Nunes memo before he even read it, I don’t expect redactions from him.
huh? That document does not mention FISA or FISC so what the heck are you even trying to claim here. #14 lists the methods that were used by the FBI to investigate this particular case. It is not a list of 'what is allowed'. If you want to know what is allowed with a FISA warrant, go read the applicable law rather than making strange assumptions that were arrived at by the conspiracy nuts at conservative treehouse
The Buryakov Title 1 FISA Warrant is the one Carter Page got swept up in by incidental contact in 2013.
No, wrecking ball said congress voted to release the memo un-redacted.
Wrecking ball was making up false claims, Congress can't declassify information that belongs to the executive branch.
Information about the FISA application belongs to the DOJ, congress can't vote to release that information un-redacted.
The House Intel Committe voted to send the memo to the executive branch for declassification.
The DOJ will decide if the information in Schiff's memo needs to be redacted, just like they did with the Nunes memo.
We already covered all of this with the Nunes memo, that went through the same process.
Process:
(1) Intel committee votes to declassify memo.
(2) Intel committee sends document to executive branch (can be redacted or unredacted, and in this case is the latter)
(3) DOJ/FBI weigh in on anything to be redacted
(4) Executive branch chooses what to redaced (this can go beyond DOJ/FBI recommendations)
Schiff stated that he is concerned Step 4 will go beyond DOJ/FBI recommendations and include politically motivated redaction.
Oh man are you lost. Try rereading EveryLady's posts again a few times to see if it sinks in. Maybe as a friend to help you.
From reading the above posts, my take is that so far this is the most complete:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2sleepy
Excuse me? Carter Page's warrant was a Title I warrant, they are the only ones that go before a judge, 702 is warrantless surveillance and can information can only be gathered on a US Citizen if it is incidental to the foreign target of the investigation.
You should find a source other than conservative treehouse, they are way off base on this one, they also claim that the government used title I so they could retroactively surveil Carter Page which is not allowed for more than 7 days and even then only in exceptional circumstances. 7 days would not allow them to surveil Trump since a full month had elapsed between the time the Page FISA warrant was obtained and his termination from the campaign.
Like you (Huh?), I was confused by some of the other posts (not sure of the relevance) or couldn't match the assertions made to a description of the statute (online law book).
But I'm not an attorney nor familiar with the statute so I won't comment further. Still, from what I've seen so far the FBI use of the FISA statute does not appear to fit the conspiracy theory narratives that have been raised.
Plus, it's not surprising that Conservative Tree House has taken up the call - as for it's readers, there I'd not want to even put trust a seemingly simple "statement of fact." As one poster puts it (wrong context, but you get the point): poisonous fruit of the tree.
(1) Intel committee votes to declassify memo.
(2) Intel committee sends document to executive branch (can be redacted or unredacted, and in this case is the latter)
(3) DOJ/FBI weigh in on anything to be redacted
(4) Executive branch chooses what to redaced (this can go beyond DOJ/FBI recommendations)
Schiff stated that he is concerned Step 4 will go beyond DOJ/FBI recommendations and include politically motivated redaction.
This isnt hard.
I know the process, I was pointing out that Wrecking Ball made up a claim about an imaginary vote by congress to release the memo un-redacted.
It has already been reported that Schiff intentionally put in information that would reveal sources, and methods so his memo would be redacted. Schiff will surly whine about his memo being redacted, and claim the redactions were to stop him from proving Nunes memo wrong.
Schiff has lied from the start about Nune's memo, this sure looks like more games being played.
It doesn't matter, the investigation is moving forward, and Schiff can't stop the truth from coming out.
I know the process, I was pointing out that Wrecking Ball made up a claim about an imaginary vote by congress to release the memo un-redacted.
It has already been reported that Schiff intentionally put in information that would reveal sources, and methods so his memo would be redacted. Schiff will surly whine about his memo being redacted, and claim the redactions were to stop him from proving Nunes memo wrong.
Schiff has lied from the start about Nune's memo, this sure looks like more games being played.
It doesn't matter, the investigation is moving forward, and Schiff can't stop the truth from coming out.
Schiff specifically said he was fine with redaction for National Security reasons but didn't want politically-motivated reactions. It was quite clear from the article that you obviously didn't read.
Schiff specifically said he was fine with redaction for National Security reasons but didn't want politically-motivated reactions. It was quite clear from the article that you obviously didn't read.
I'm going on Schiff's past, he has lied about this issue from the start.
Why wouldn't Schiff write his memo to be released without redactions like the Nunes memo?
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