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This is not about making an informed judgment. It's a Republican smear campaign. Nothing more.
As if the entire "Russia sabotaged our election" is anything but.
The Dems would have us believe that some Facebook ads were enough to remove the informed free agency from American voters.
The memo points to facts. Whether or not you agree as to the weight of the facts is another story. However, they are facts nevertheless and are the only foundation of the argument.
Whereas the liberal narrative has as one of its primary pillars the assumption that the minds of American voters were compromised. This removes the free agency of those Americans.
That's a smear.
In this situation, liberals are accusing conservatives, who won an election, of what they are guilty of by a factor of 10x. It's an age old liberal strategy.
Russia may have run some ads. Investigate all you like. We do the same and more for foreign nations, and this will always continue for every nation that matters from here on out. Foreign nations will try to influence elections.
But when you transition from validating that occurred to demanding that the nation accepts that access to information corrupts the mind of American voters and thus the voting process, you are deeply into an Orwellian narrative that is excessively toxic to democracy.
Because you can't stand losing one election. That's what you are willing to sacrifice the foundation of public trust in the democratic process for. You lost, and so the mind's of the opposition were corrupt. Morons.
The Russia Investigation, founded on a specious truth or not, reads as entirely partisan to half of the nation.
No protest to the Conservative response to this partisan investigation, especially since its primary act is to point to the investigation's partisan nature, is going to play well given the investigation's partisan stench.
The only way out of this was for the Dems to accept their defeat. Given that they aren't, heads will roll whenever inestigative bias can be pointed to.
The role of the dossier is key to everything that followed because of it's the only reason, according to Andrew McCabe, that FISA warrants were ever issued.
That is NOT TRUE. You are regurgitating the crap spewed by FOX News - and the lies and out-of-context misrepresentations in that so-called memo.
You do not know anything but what you are being told by liars with an agenda.
Sad day for this country.
No wonder our politicians have no respect for the American voter. They know the voters are stupid, can be manipulated, and will believe any lie they are told if it fits their prejudices and world view.
Which is why we now have a digusting, lying Moron in the White House.
The role of the dossier is key to everything that followed because of it's the only reason, according to Andrew McCabe, that FISA warrants were ever issued.
OK, then no one should have any problem with letting the investigation conclude so that the Grand Jury and the courts can decide if the evidence should be thrown out due to procedural errors in the way it was obtained.
That really is the only way to put an end to this once and for all.
What was the original impetus for the investigation?
Was it the "dossier"?
Comey testified under oath that the dossier was "salacious and unverified", yet he (among others) still knowingly presented it to the FISA court as evidence.
On what basis should the investigation be allowed to continue? Is it legal/constitutional to allow unending investigations based on a lie?
Some 500 - 600 pages were in the document which was submitted to the FISA court in order to obtain a warrant to spy on Carter Page. The Nunez/White House memo cherry picks but one item, which is why this memo has been labeled "false and misleading."
Leading Republicans have stated that this memo has no effect on the FBI investigation, and that the investigation should continue. After all, we all just want to know the truth, right?
Page was under FISA not primarily due to the steele dossier, but due to the fact that when we broke a Russian spy ring he was listed by them as a useful idiot!
If that's the rebuttal, then sit on the sidelines and stay out of the way.
The memo has no context, and no underlying documentation. It is nothing more than a partisan exercise in cherry picking to be used as a hit piece.
FISA warrants are not issued because of "dossiers" (read: collections of memos) without a lot of hard evidence to back up the allegations. The memo missed its mark by a wide margin.
Of course the liar Nunes left out key pieces of information, such as the fact that Carter Page has been under surveillance since 2013 -- long before Trump ran for office -- because of his deep ties in Russia. Page has been suspected of being a Russian agent for a long time. You don't need the dossier to approve a warrant when the suspect has "Putin" tattooed on his forehead.
CNN just called the memo "comical"....LOL!!
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