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Old 02-05-2018, 01:22 PM
 
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They know a lot of them are not needed and will not be able to come back. Some of them risk their lives to get here. They will never self deport. They will risk everything to stay in the nasty, hated US. If we want to put a dent in this we have to be aggressive just because we have been lax for so long.
You can not logistically deport 30 million or more people. Especially when those who benefit the most are the ones funding the politicians.
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Old 02-05-2018, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We have Nafta trucks coming over the border and able to drive anywhere in the United States.. They don't check the trucks. They will have to work on that problem. They only check 2% of the trucks coming over here. Illegals and drugs will be coming here in trucks.
Or worse yet, human and child trafficking could be brought in, or out.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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What is this $113 billion figure for? The racist, uneducated Trump cult moochers trying to stop immigration and kill the American economy?
Once again, there is no such race as "illegal alien". The race card doesn't work anymore, so put it back into your wallet. Also, stop deliberately blurring the line between illegal aliens and legal immigrants. The former have no business being here while the latter obeyed our immigration laws and patiently awaited their turn to come here. But you knew all that anyway, didn't you?
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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You can not logistically deport 30 million or more people.
You don't have to. They'll return home on their own if you withdraw their sources of sustenance.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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You don't have to. They'll return home on their own if you withdraw their sources of sustenance.
On this, I agree.

Take away the jobs that employ these people, and watch this immigration issue largely go away (or at least become very manageable).

No boondoggle wall required. And it addresses the VERY significant amount of people that overstay their visas (~40%).


How do we do this? Hold employers accountable. Enact VERY stiff penalties for violations - severe enough to put a company out of business. Threats of jail time would work, too.


Very few of these people are going to go through the very difficult trip into this country if there is no job for them here.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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This is what I don't understand about the Congress...The leaders should allow every bill that comes out from any Senator/Congressman come up for an up or down vote...why would the leadership fear that?
There's only so much time, and some people have this crazy idea that -- unlike ACA or PATRIOT -- a bill should be read and fully understood before it is voted on. Logistically, you can't do what you propose.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:24 PM
 
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On this, I agree.

Take away the jobs that employ these people, and watch this immigration issue largely go away (or at least become very manageable).

No boondoggle wall required. And it addresses the VERY significant amount of people that overstay their visas (~40%).

How do we do this? Hold employers accountable. Enact VERY stiff penalties for violations - severe enough to put a company out of business. Threats of jail time would work, too.
Absolutely. Punish employers. After a few wind up the hoosegow, the others will get the message.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:36 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Absolutely. Punish employers. After a few wind up the hoosegow, the others will get the message.
I think that'll work as well, punish the employers!!! Guess what though they'll never do that. The craziest thing about it is the way these employers tend to swing politically...
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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Juan Mccain has more brain farts the longer he is in the Senate. He should have retired when he lost the primary to W Bush back in 2000.

Amnesty with the NO wall and hardly any funds for border security and his bill says NOTHING about sanctuary cities?.....we all know he voted for Hillary.
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Old 02-05-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Juan Mccain has more brain farts the longer he is in the Senate. He should have retired when he lost the primary to W Bush back in 2000.

Amnesty with the NO wall and hardly any funds for border security and his bill says NOTHING about sanctuary cities?.....we all know he voted for Hillary.
If it's such a bad bill, why is McConnell (and trumpers) afraid to bring it to a vote??????
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