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Old 02-07-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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Second time you've posted this same video in response to me, and the third time you've posted it in this thread.

Maybe time to change the channel? We got your point, such as it is, the first time, and it's no longer entertaining or relevant.

Um, wait a minute there - was it ever? Redundancy seldom is, and the video does not offer a valid rebuttal to these three other posts.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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No, according to the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the State Department, the Secretary of State, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a whole host of NGOs, Congressional resolutions, academics and media sources, the Russian purposefully spread lies and exaggerations about political candidates and fake news in order to exacerbate societal divisions. As many posters, (including me) have already said, this isn't a "liberal v. conservative" or "Democrat v. Republican" thing at all.

This has only been laid out, in detail, about two dozen times in this thread alone. I can see how someone like yourself was unable to pick up on the glaringly obvious. Keep those partisan blinders on, bucko.



Yes and the CIA also said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq


But now of course libs love them


Of course people at the top think the normal
Plebs are so stupid that somehow Facebook ads influenced their behavior and created some kind of division (which was already there)
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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As usual the Trumplings are in complete denial.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:08 PM
 
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So, when it comes to reducing our standing in other countries by insulting them (for literally no benefit) by calling them "sh*tholes," we are good with that because we are "telling it like it is" but when we try to stop a foreign power from having its agents pose as Americans and sow dissension and spread misinformation throughout our society, we are concerned with the optics of looking hypocritical because (like literally every other country on Earth), we openly use soft power to further our foreign policy interests?
US Interfered in Elections of at Least 85 Countries Worldwide Since 1945. Most of it was before the end of the cold war, but since the cold war: U.S. continued its interventions abroad, including elections in Israel, former Czechoslovakia, and even Russia in 1996, Levin found. Since 2000, the U.S. has attempted to sway elections in Ukraine, Kenya, Lebanon, and Afghanistan, among others.https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-int...e-1945/5601481/ The US has intervened in more countries elections than Russia and the Soviet Union combined. Yet of course in America it is ok if the US intervenes in overseas elections but there is a big outcry is another nation intervenes in the US elections.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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US Interfered in Elections of at Least 85 Countries Worldwide Since 1945. Most of it was before the end of the cold war, but since the cold war: U.S. continued its interventions abroad, including elections in Israel, former Czechoslovakia, and even Russia in 1996, Levin found. Since 2000, the U.S. has attempted to sway elections in Ukraine, Kenya, Lebanon, and Afghanistan, among others.https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-int...e-1945/5601481/ The US has intervened in more countries elections than Russia and the Soviet Union combined. Yet of course in America it is ok if the US intervenes in overseas elections but there is a big outcry is another nation intervenes in the US elections.


This is the argument of a defeatist. Let us hope you don't work for the Department of Homeland Security, though I suspect more than a few Trump appointees have the same ridiculous, fatalistic argument.

Apparently, your argument is that we deserve it and that we should just sit back and take it. An argument for losers if I ever heard one.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:16 PM
 
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Maybe because not everyone believes a few Facebook ads swung an anymore election like the libs want. And of course the so cons are itching for war with Russia.
Again, the Russian meddling did not consist of Facebook ads. Instead, Russian trolls, aka Russians paid by the Russian government, who were impersonating Americans, posting on various forums like this one and elsewhere. They did create some Facebook personas with Fb accounts, but these were not ads, just false flags to create trouble and set Americans against one another. They also created many Twitter accounts, often posing as patriotic, concerned Americans.

Why would the Russians pay for American ads when they could do all this meddling for free, or rather, for the cost of troll labor?

Usually they posted completely made-up garbage about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but now and then they'd impersonate far-left American posters with really awful accusations about Trump and the Republicans and their supposed policies, just to stir up Trump's supporters into accusing real Democrats of making such claims. They also impersonated college kids and egged others on to participate in demonstrations and encouraged things to get rough.

The Russian trolls and their employer(s) wanted to damage American democracy; is that so hard to comprehend?? They were not promoting anything or anyone other than their own ultimate best interests, lessening the American threat to totalitarian, corrupt governments and oligarchs. They were determined to do this by any means necessary and by using whatever tools came their way. They only supported Trump because they thought he was weaker and more easily swayed than Hillary Clinton would have been, not because they thought he would be a better president or would be more likely to work for common interests. They thought he'd make a better puppet.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:17 PM
 
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Again, the Russian meddling did not consist of Facebook ads. Instead, Russian trolls, aka Russians paid by the Russian government, who were impersonating Americans, posting on various forums like this one and elsewhere. They did create some Facebook personas with Fb accounts, but these were not ads, just false flags to create trouble and set Americans against one another. They also created many Twitter accounts, often posing as patriotic, concerned Americans.

Why would the Russians pay for American ads when they could do all this meddling for free, or rather, for the cost of troll labor?

Usually they posted completely made-up garbage about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, but now and then they'd impersonate far-left American posters with really awful accusations about Trump and the Republicans and their supposed policies, just to stir up Trump's supporters into accusing real Democrats of making such claims. They also impersonated college kids and egged others on to participate in demonstrations and encouraged things to get rough.

The Russian trolls and their employer(s) wanted to damage American democracy; is that so hard to comprehend?? They were not promoting anything or anyone other than their own ultimate best interests, lessening the American threat to totalitarian, corrupt governments and oligarchs. They were determined to do this by any means necessary and by using whatever tools came their way. They only supported Trump because they thought he was weaker and more easily swayed than Hillary Clinton would have been, not because they thought he would be a better president or would be more likely to work for common interests. They thought he'd make a better puppet.




Wow, you're saying totally unpaid random trolls defeated a billion dollar campaign and having 99% of the media in your side. It's incredible


You don't think there was made up garbage about Trump and Republicans
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:18 PM
 
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US Interfered in Elections of at Least 85 Countries Worldwide Since 1945. Most of it was before the end of the cold war, but since the cold war: U.S. continued its interventions abroad, including elections in Israel, former Czechoslovakia, and even Russia in 1996, Levin found. Since 2000, the U.S. has attempted to sway elections in Ukraine, Kenya, Lebanon, and Afghanistan, among others.https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-int...e-1945/5601481/ The US has intervened in more countries elections than Russia and the Soviet Union combined. Yet of course in America it is ok if the US intervenes in overseas elections but there is a big outcry is another nation intervenes in the US elections.
More WHAT-ABOUTERY.
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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Wow, Donnie you're saying totally unpaid random trolls defeated a billion dollar campaign and having 99% of the media in your side. It's incredible
"Donnie"??
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Old 02-07-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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Wow, you're saying totally unpaid random trolls defeated a billion dollar campaign and having 99% of the media in your side. It's incredible


You don't think there was made up garbage about Trump and Republicans
You’re being purposefully obtuse in order to rely on a straw man argument because you have no legitimate position in this one.
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