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View Poll Results: Are women really paid less for doing the same job with the same quality?
Yes. We have stats to support this. 33 25.98%
No. The stats are wrong because they don't account for factors such as type of jobs or tenure. 89 70.08%
I don't know. 5 3.94%
Voters: 127. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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No. It's one of those talking points that when you hear it you need to speak up and smack the discussion back down to earth.
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Old 02-09-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Ask a male model, stripper, or porn star who makes more money.
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Old 02-09-2018, 02:41 PM
 
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As a software engineer....I havent seen it recently. BUT...when I was younger, and new to the field I watched a female coworker who did better work then I did....make 1/2 as much.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:22 PM
 
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If this were true, why would anybody hire men when they can pay women less for doing the same job with the same quality?

All the business people including female business owners must be stupid.?

Imagine how quickly we can take over the entire world!
Let's talk stupid. Some people fail to realize that most babies come out of females. Therefore, females that decide to be mothers (most?) have to deal with physical and emotional situations that men have traditionally stayed (mostly) out of. They also have some physical changes to deal with.

Whereas a guy may be willing to be a "rat" or "hamster on a wheel" (the rat race), women may make more decisions about work/life balance. If an employer is a "pure" economic capitalist, they are going to hire a dude willing to work 60 or 70 hours per week on a salary...that's harder for a woman to deal with. It's actually hard for even a guy to deal with, but they will do it.

In theory - men would generally make better slaves for digging coal...if that is the point you are trying to make. They could perhaps dig a little faster (depending on what you feed them, tho).

3/4 of School Teachers are Female - does this therefore mean that Men are stupid? According to your theories it might. I'd say in most professional occupations, women are equal to men. Some are lesser, some are better.

If you hire a firm to break up the concrete on your driveway, it could well be woman owned and woman operated. But she is smart enough to hire the 280 LB guy to use the jackhammer.

Are you saying that the jackhammer operator has more value than the woman who got the job (through marketing, grants, personal connections, etc.)?????

Silly thread. Based on your brilliant theories 3/4 of the workforce would be fired by age 40, never to find work again. A 40+ person simply cannot work physically like a 20 year old. Also, brain decline would definitely be starting by 50.

Are you pushing for a shorter number of working years and then we just pay everyone to stay home?

Based on these "theories" horses and elephants should be paid more than any other living things...
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:28 PM
 
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Let's talk stupid. Some people fail to realize that most babies come out of females. Therefore, females that decide to be mothers (most?) have to deal with physical and emotional situations that men have traditionally stayed (mostly) out of. They also have some physical changes to deal with.

Whereas a guy may be willing to be a "rat" or "hamster on a wheel" (the rat race), women may make more decisions about work/life balance. If an employer is a "pure" economic capitalist, they are going to hire a dude willing to work 60 or 70 hours per week on a salary...that's harder for a woman to deal with. It's actually hard for even a guy to deal with, but they will do it.

In theory - men would generally make better slaves for digging coal...if that is the point you are trying to make. They could perhaps dig a little faster (depending on what you feed them, tho).

3/4 of School Teachers are Female - does this therefore mean that Men are stupid? According to your theories it might. I'd say in most professional occupations, women are equal to men. Some are lesser, some are better.

If you hire a firm to break up the concrete on your driveway, it could well be woman owned and woman operated. But she is smart enough to hire the 280 LB guy to use the jackhammer.

Are you saying that the jackhammer operator has more value than the woman who got the job (through marketing, grants, personal connections, etc.)?????

Silly thread. Based on your brilliant theories 3/4 of the workforce would be fired by age 40, never to find work again. A 40+ person simply cannot work physically like a 20 year old. Also, brain decline would definitely be starting by 50.

Are you pushing for a shorter number of working years and then we just pay everyone to stay home?

Based on these "theories" horses and elephants should be paid more than any other living things...
I think I found a reason why some women are paid less.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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Are women really paid less for doing the same job with the same quality?
It's silly to imagine that you could ever find two people doing the same job with the same quality.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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I'll agree that part of what makes this assertion implausible is the fact it's based on gross averages, which is wildly inaccurate. However, one thing to consider that has been documented is how women in interview scenarios are less likely to carry themselves with the confidence that men have when negotiating pay. As a result, they may accept a lower salary than a comparable male would.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:44 PM
 
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It's silly to imagine that you could ever find two people doing the same job with the same quality.
People are different. That's for sure.
I had one employee who was easily worth 3 "normal" people. But he was doing work that paid "by the job", so I couldn't pay him 3X what I did others (maybe 2X - but I would help him more when bonus time came)...

I had other employees who mostly made about the same amount - we're talking higher end retail business here, so it's not medicine or engineering. They each had different skills...not always better or worse, but different.

If you ask me who was the smartest, most loyal and hardest working employee I had...it would be my (female) office manager. All business. I'd give her massive jobs to do (large mailings) and in no time the pile was headed to the post office. I don't think I ever heard her make an excuse.
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Old 02-09-2018, 03:48 PM
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It’s merely another fake news democrat divisive tactic. Period.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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Let's talk stupid. Some people fail to realize that most babies come out of females. Therefore, females that decide to be mothers (most?) have to deal with physical and emotional situations that men have traditionally stayed (mostly) out of. They also have some physical changes to deal with.

Whereas a guy may be willing to be a "rat" or "hamster on a wheel" (the rat race), women may make more decisions about work/life balance. If an employer is a "pure" economic capitalist, they are going to hire a dude willing to work 60 or 70 hours per week on a salary...that's harder for a woman to deal with. It's actually hard for even a guy to deal with, but they will do it.

In theory - men would generally make better slaves for digging coal...if that is the point you are trying to make. They could perhaps dig a little faster (depending on what you feed them, tho).

3/4 of School Teachers are Female - does this therefore mean that Men are stupid? According to your theories it might. I'd say in most professional occupations, women are equal to men. Some are lesser, some are better.

If you hire a firm to break up the concrete on your driveway, it could well be woman owned and woman operated. But she is smart enough to hire the 280 LB guy to use the jackhammer.

Are you saying that the jackhammer operator has more value than the woman who got the job (through marketing, grants, personal connections, etc.)?????

Silly thread. Based on your brilliant theories 3/4 of the workforce would be fired by age 40, never to find work again. A 40+ person simply cannot work physically like a 20 year old. Also, brain decline would definitely be starting by 50.

Are you pushing for a shorter number of working years and then we just pay everyone to stay home?

Based on these "theories" horses and elephants should be paid more than any other living things...
Save yourself the time. A discussion in this thread is pointless. It is a bunch of males that have no accurate data to back up their fake agenda except the fact that they don't see it in their bubble or on Fox News. That's telling in itself. Deflection is something we should ignore and move on from because it's a lot of it in this discussion. But knowledgeable people including men and women are working to fix it and make a change in their communities. Moving along.....
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