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Old 02-11-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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What has the 1st memo got in common with the 2nd memo?
they are both referring to the exact same source material.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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they are both referring to the exact same source material.
So what ? Though the government will over-classify information for reasons unrelated to sources, methods, national security, we don't know what's in those 1000+ pages of classified source material. Maybe the Schiff memo includes info that is properly marked classified.
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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So what ? Though the government will over-classify information for reasons unrelated to sources, methods, national security, we don't know what's in those 1000+ pages of classified source material. Maybe the Schiff memo includes info that is properly marked classified.
If that were true then why did the house intelligence committee vote unanimously to make it public. Trump didn't even read Nunes memo before he stated that he would release it but now he is concerned about the release of classified information in the Schiff memo.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:10 AM
 
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Asking Trump to approve the release of the Schiff memo is like asking a bank robber permission to release the security camera footage. Bank robber says, "Yes, but only after I edit the video first."
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:51 AM
 
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If that were true then why did the house intelligence committee vote unanimously to make it public. Trump didn't even read Nunes memo before he stated that he would release it but now he is concerned about the release of classified information in the Schiff memo.
I can't answer that question. I could ask you why the Committee voted to release a memo that Rosenstein and Wray say contains information that should remain classified. I suppose members of the Committee didn't know what they were doing, looked at the vote politically, or have a different view than the FBI/DOJ of what should be classified.

Did the FBI/DOJ tell Trump there was info in the Nunes memo that should remain classified or redacted ?
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Old 02-11-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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I can't answer that question. I could ask you why the Committee voted to release a memo that Rosenstein and Wray say contains information that should remain classified. I suppose members of the Committee didn't know what they were doing, looked at the vote politically, or have a different view than the FBI/DOJ of what should be classified.

Did the FBI/DOJ tell Trump there was info in the Nunes memo that should remain classified or redacted ?
Outside of what Trump actually read or was told, the whole point of his involvement with the Nunes memo was to declassify confidential or sensitive information. Surely, he must have realized that. If the Nunes memo had been public the IC could have released it without going thru Trump.

As for why the IC voted to release the Schiff memo ... BOTH memos contained classified information. Sure, some information can be more sensitive than others but ANY deliberate release of classified information is subject to some sort of sanction.

For the IC to have held back the Schiff memo because it had "more" classified info than the Nunes memo would have put the IC into the difficult position of judging relative sensitivity. Best the DOJ/FBI do that. And so not at all a surprise that the IC treated both memos the same way - voted to release, subject of course to whether Trump declassified them.

He declassified one, but not the other.

What I find intriguing in all this is that there was not some sort of redaction deal worked out during the FBI/DOJ vetting process and/or while it sat on Trump's desk for 5 days.

Maybe Trump doesn't want that (for a redacted memo could well be more revealing than a rewrite). In his tweet, he said he wanted a "redo." There, I call foul if the conditions are essentially shaping what the Dems can write. Or like some pundits guess, is drawing this out as long as he can to move on to a new news cycle.

Or maybe Schiff is playing politics and made an initial refusal.
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Old 02-11-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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Trump was never going to let it happen no surprise really.
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Old 02-11-2018, 01:08 PM
 
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Trump was never going to let it happen no surprise really.
Of course not. It's a ridiculous process to give the President veto power over something that Congress publishes. Whatever happened to the separation of powers doctrine? Both the majority and minority members of a Congressional committee should have the unlimited privilege to publish opinion papers.
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Old 02-11-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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Maybe the Schiff memo includes info that is properly marked classified.
The Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee didn't think was properly classified.
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Old 02-12-2018, 05:29 AM
 
Location: NC
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Schiff ensures the Democrats' memo includes enough sensitive material guarantees the White House won't release the memo. They want to make this look politically motivated on Trump's side, but the liberal politicians ensured it would be that way.

People can see through the liberal strategies at play. It's not like the Democrats have surprised anyone with their game.
That's just a Republican/Trump talking point. They are the ones playing games, making it look politically motivated. How do I know that?:

Welllll, the Democrat's memo was penned before the release of the Nunes Memo. It was written to prevent the release of the bogus Nunes Memo at all. Not to paint the Trump into a corner as you say.

Trump could have:
-Stopped playing games from the get-go, and not released any memos
-Waited until all memos were deemed "releasable" and released them together
-Given the Dem's memo the same (lack of) scrutiny he gave Nunes memo

Talk about impossible situations: When everything is a conspiracy, and anyone who disagrees with you is a conspirator, including the FBI, the US Gov't, elected officials, your own appointees that were great people last month, and everyone else, then it's convenient to say that nothing and nobody can be trusted, except whom Trump says can be trusted. THAT is an impossible situation. It takes really blind people to fall for that. I swear, my dog Toto could pull the curtain off that stupid scheme and expose it all (and the silly munchkins STILL wouldn't believe it!!!!!!)
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