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Old 02-11-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: 57
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This type of thing happened alot in Calif under Arnold.
Rich folks wanted to build multi million dollar homes on unstable landscape and when they got washed away they were given relief $$ from taxpayer s to .....rebuild on the same spot!!! Ongoing scam I say.
That's just like coal mining.
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Old 02-11-2018, 02:34 PM
 
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These same coal miners that wanted reduced regulations, now want increased medical treatment for the black lung they begged to be exposed to. And we as tax payers are supposed to pay for it. The irony is unbelievable.
Black lung benefits are paid for by the last employer of the coal miner.

Those pensions and other benefits are guaranteed by the government if the company goes bankrupt as they do for many companies if they are enrolled.

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Old 02-11-2018, 04:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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And the market says coal is dead or dying. Say what you will about Obama and Hillary, but they wanted to find those out of work miners new jobs in other fields. And then Trump came along and sold the miners a bill of goods.
Exactly. But it's the right-wing double standard at play, as always. We should ignore facts, make up crud like "clean coal," and rewrite the laws to subsidize jobs at the taxpayers expense to protect the rural poor in Appalachia. But when urban poor (of a different skin color - funny how that works!) are in trouble, we listen to long, whiny right-wing screeds on "bootstrapping" and how "I don't want mah tax money helping those welfare bums!"

We'll all pretend race has nothing to do with the far-right's treatment of the white rural poor coal miners and the black urban poor factory workers.
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:57 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So coal miners (there's less than 100,000 of them) were a very vocal talking point for Trump. Since his election, he's reduced regulations on coal and done everything he possibly can to put a toe on the scale for fossil fuels and hamper renewable energy.

Now those same coal miners are asking for more. Since the remaining coal in Appalachia is depleting, what's left is much harder to extract and requires increased exposure to the chemicals that cause black lung. These same coal miners that wanted reduced regulations, now want increased medical treatment for the black lung they begged to be exposed to. And we as tax payers are supposed to pay for it. The irony is unbelievable.

“We’ve gone from having nearly eradicated PMF in the mid-1990s to the highest concentration of cases that anyone has ever seen,”

Coal miners, who helped Donald Trump win, could now use some help as their pensions and health are imperiled | Lexington Herald Leader

Rick Perry runs that crap.
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