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Old 02-12-2018, 08:07 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Obviously it didn't work for everyone. Or we'd still be doing it.
The decay of the social construct is accelerating.
Children raising children, with no daddy... has its consequences.
The sexual revolution backfired and now you got the Meetoo deal, to get back to respecting women and not just looking at them as sexual slaves, hit it and quit it.

The Patriarchy is making a comeback. Less women identify as a feminist today, than 30 years ago.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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This isn't a partisan issue so I'm not sure why there are so many people coming out to bash the left on this.

Bottom line is, if parents had access to affordable and reliable child care options it would be easier for mothers to work outside the home which would in turn raise GDP and address the men vs women pay disparity.

The pay raises are great for the caregivers, I'm all for having quality care, however, we need to find a way to subsidize it like in other countries. Instead of throwing another 94 BILLION dollars at the military, let's take some of that money and put it towards making our country truly better.

Seriously, do we need more money to be the world police force or to upgrade our military in the name of some stupid arms race? We got enough military might to destroy this world many times over. We need to be smarter about our money, not flex our muscles and ignore what's happening at home - crumbling infrastructure, healthcare debacle and a huge income inequality.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No, I am a woman. I chose to work. I send my child to daycare (and at one time my two children). We had to sacrifice to pay for daycare which is very expensive. My point is that we cannot expect people to care for our children for less than minimum wage pay. Some people believe 200 a week is what daycare should cost. That is 40 dollars a day. So basically saying that 4 dollars an hour is what these people want to pay for others to watch their child. I do not believe 100 dollars a day is that much when we are talking about caring for our children. I, for one, do not want underpaid, unhappy people watching my child.


Nancy Pelosi, is that you? The wealthy are so out of touch with reality of making it.
Not everyone has been privileged enough to be as wealthy as you. Yet you want to think for them.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:13 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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People who cannot afford daycare have one parent (usually the mom) stay at home and take care of the children.

It's really that simple, and it's been that way for ages.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The decay of the social construct is accelerating.
Children raising children, with no daddy... has its consequences.
The sexual revolution backfired and now you got the Meetoo deal, to get back to respecting women and not just looking at them as sexual slaves, hit it and quit it.

The Patriarchy is making a comeback. Less women identify as a feminist today, than 30 years ago.
I doubt that most women will want to go back to be being daddy's little housewife rather than wanting to go to college and get real jobs. Whether they call themselves feminists or not.

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That is what the daddy was for in the genetic family unit.
A roof over your head, clothes on your back and food in your belly, all while owning 1/2 his crap and all the poontang to get everything they want. The patriarchy worked.
I doubt there are many housewives who think of themselves as freely accessible "poontang". Whether they call themselves feminists or not. In fact, men who think of their wives as "poontang" are a huge incentive for women to get a good job so they can dump the *******.

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Old 02-12-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Nancy Pelosi, is that you? The wealthy are so out of touch with reality of making it.
Not everyone has been privileged enough to be as wealthy as you. Yet you want to think for them.
LOL, not Nancy! Not even a liberal. I am all for subsidized daycare, however, I would not use it myself. I also don't complain that I have to pay 2200 a month for my childs daycare. Its an expense I am willing to pay a high amount for so that my daughter gets good care and young education. I would be worried that daycares subsidized by our government would stink just like all other things that our government gets involved in do. If it helps others that are less fortunate than me than I am all for it.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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No, I am a woman. I chose to work. I send my child to daycare (and at one time my two children). We had to sacrifice to pay for daycare which is very expensive. My point is that we cannot expect people to care for our children for less than minimum wage pay. Some people believe 200 a week is what daycare should cost. That is 40 dollars a day. So basically saying that 4 dollars an hour is what these people want to pay for others to watch their child. I do not believe 100 dollars a day is that much when we are talking about caring for our children. I, for one, do not want underpaid, unhappy people watching my child.
One should note.......the COL is very different depending on what part of the country you live in. Your example is not really factual either. There are not 1:1 ratio's between care givers and kids.

$40 a day times 6 kids (I do not know the ratio exactly) would be $24 an hour. With that in mind, for a higher COL area like Seattle, the care givers making $13 an hour, really isn't out of line.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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People who cannot afford daycare have one parent (usually the mom) stay at home and take care of the children.

It's really that simple, and it's been that way for ages.
Sometimes it ISN'T about the money, or being able to "afford" daycare. It is about who you want raising your children. You, or some stranger?
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:27 AM
 
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One should note.......the COL is very different depending on what part of the country you live in. Your example is not really factual either. There are not 1:1 ratio's between care givers and kids.

$40 a day times 6 kids (I do not know the ratio exactly) would be $24 an hour. With that in mind, for a higher COL area like Seattle, the care givers making $13 an hour, really isn't out of line.
Yes, I understand but personally if you are paying 200 a week then you individually are paying 4 bucks an hour for care for your child, which is hardly a lot.
Also, daycare centers (not home daycares) also have to pay for directors, food (most provide 2 healthy hot meals), cleaning, toys, learning centers with smart boards and computers etc.. all of that needs to be paid for somehow. The teachers and assistants do not make all that is paid by the parents.
Home daycares also have overhead that needs to be paid for above teacher wages.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I've always found it strange that we have public schools that educate kids from ages 5-18, but pretty much nothing from 0-5.

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