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Old 02-12-2018, 09:57 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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This article, which came out right before the 2016 election, is a good look at what infrastructure spending can - and cannot - do.

The Trouble With Clinton and Trump's Infrastructure Plans
Decent article. One thing I'd add is if the states did something like the TVA did and add "WorkFare" requirements this infrastructure bill could reduce the homeless,underemployed and welfare roles. This could teach some people new skills in jobs that cannot be automated into extinction.
What is a fact is at some point all of this infrastructure will HAVE to be fixed and/or added onto. The question then becomes "when".
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Didn't look at the map right? If what you're saying is true then why only a "C"? Schools with a "D-" rating, Stormwater with a "D" rating, Roads with a "C" rating, Coastal Areas, one of the big draws in FL got a wonderful "D+" etc,etc,etc. If everything is so great and y'all can "fix it yourselves" why the poor grades?
C'mon, get fixing already...
We are constantly fixing. Just finished a $1B project in Ft Lauderdale, which didn't cost the taxpayers anything. Trump could learn from that. They have been talking about moving the power grid under ground to avoid power outages during/after hurricanes, and that might he something they should prioritize.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Specifically how is it "pathetic"? No generalities or talking points but point by point specifics.
Only offering 200 billion in federal funding and getting that dismal amount from cutting other federal programs. Where are those cuts coming from?

Relying on states and cities to generate more taxes from residents to fund the rest of the 1.3 trillion and 80% of the projects

Tell me what exactly will this do for our infrastructure that is falling apart or nonexistent throughout the country! This wont even put a dent in our infrastructure problems. Meanwhile we are raising our budget for defense department aka military industrial complex.

Trump ran on a platform for infrastructure improvements , proposing more spending than Clinton proposed. this falls pathetically short of that promise

Meanwhile taxes for the rich get priority in this administration
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Despite conventional wisdom that this is the kind of initiative that Trump should be good at, building big things, his experience will actually be detrimental. He's used to saying "I want a building with 30 floors and 800,000 sq/ft." The architects say OK, draw it up, they send it to the contractors, the subs, etc. who tailor their work to the specifications. Very 'top down' methodology.

IT DON'T WORK THAT WAY IN GOVERNMENT

Whatever Trump comes up with specifically (if anything) has to go through, in the case of infrastructure type items, at least 11 House and Senate committees before being brought before the entire body. Not sure if anyone has noticed but Trump hasn't exactly been flourishing in legislative accomplishments (which are different than Executive Orders) and it's hard to believe the old guy is going to have some epiphany about playing nice with others. Prepare for six months of slap flights, twitter battles and not much getting done. What, if anything gets green-lit will be pork projects just in time to make the ads for the midterms.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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We are constantly fixing. Just finished a $1B project in Ft Lauderdale, which didn't cost the taxpayers anything. Trump could learn from that. They have been talking about moving the power grid under ground to avoid power outages during/after hurricanes, and that might he something they should prioritize.

Power lines, at least the central core of the system, have to remain above ground for technical reasons which the lesser-educated part of the public refuses to acknowledge, and this is going to be a problem whenever complicated issues are turned over to an ignorant, self-centered public, and the unscrupulous politicians who pander to them.

This sort of thing is going to happen over and over again when the whims of those who can't tell "hard science" from "junk science"are given an unrealistic priority.

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Old 02-12-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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Will this grand plan of Trump the Magnificent be financed by Putin and his Russian oligarch pals?

'Cause we don't have no money.
It will be financed by Canada because Mexico is paying for our wall so we can't squeeze more out of them!
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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This article, which came out right before the 2016 election (August 2016), is a good look at what infrastructure spending can - and cannot - do.

The Trouble With Clinton and Trump's Infrastructure Plans

Ask Congress watchers what major legislation is most likely to pass under the next administration, one answer always comes up: infrastructure investment. It is one of the few issues the two presidential candidates appear to agree on: Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump argue that the country’s dilapidated roads, bridges and airports need rebuilding. Both candidates also say those programs will create many new jobs, putting construction workers back to work.

Clinton has proposed a five-year, $275 billion plan, while last week, Trump suggested he would double her proposal. Clinton’s website touts a White House report that every $1 billion in infrastructure spending creates 13,000 jobs..

This needs to be quoted again as I laugh at the MAGA crowd insist this plan is everything he promised
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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It will be financed by Canada because Mexico is paying for our wall so we can't squeeze more out of them!
You bring up a good point, actually.

Does this plan include the cost of building a bigger border wall along the Mexico border?

After all, that's "infrastructure" too.

Or is that still going to be a separate $30 billion to $70 billion expense?

(Assuming of course, that Mexico doesn't agree to chip in for it).
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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We heard many, many times about the wonderful ACA replacement he'd put in place immediately upon taking office and we all know where that went.

'Scheme' sounds like an apt description of Trump's grandiose plans with no substance, abouttime he learns saying so doesn't make it so..
Uh huh..

I remember ALOT of "SCHEMES" from former Presidents..

We were lied to by Obummer for 8 years, yet you act like Trump making a promise that congress wont budge on is some new concept...At least Trump is trying to keep his promises..Obarfo? Yeah..not so much..
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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If anyone is actually interested in reading the proposal you can find the full length version here:

Trump infrastructure plan details, bill - Business Insider

Of particular interest to me is the section on adjusting Federal Financial Aid programs. That section begins on page 51.

I'd love to hear others' thoughts on that section. I may just be misunderstanding certain portions.

So, if anyone has a moment to look through it, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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