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You have it backward Hoss, you're the one seeking to absolve yourself from personal responsibility. Just because the ATF or FBI approves someone does not absolve you if you have questions about that person's motives. Legally, most likely, morally, not at all.
You are telling me, the ATF and FBI have no say in NFA transfers? That T310 is solely responsible for the end users actions? AND the Ineptitude of the FBI and ATF for allowing someone to be approved for an NFA device?
The background check is CRITICALLY extensive.
If the seller does indeed present them self as menacing or a possible threat he does have a right to not sell. Your hyperbolic what if ism that you threw out, means zip, zero, zilch. NADA.
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Originally Posted by TreeBeard
If bars can be liable under dram shop laws for negligently serving someone too much alcohol who is of age, why shouldn't a gun shop owner be liable for selling a gun to someone he suspects of being unhinged who may have passed a background check?
Where is the personal responsibility there?
Uhh... wrong...
Not all states enforce the same laws on bars.
My local gun store reported Omar Mateen to the FBI, T-310 can do the same if his customer acted like Mateen. But that wasn't the case now was it? Nope.
In your hyper hysterical short sighted mind whomever owns a machine gun is going to slaughter.
If the claim is the NRA profits from sales of firearms and ammunition, that means they engage in the business. Per the ATF engaging in the business requires an FFL to manufacture and sell firearms and ammunition. ALSO there is an ITAR tax that has to be paid to the State Department. This is all public information by the way...
I looked into getting FFLs not that long ago...
in a bar setting, the server is trained to tell when someone has had too much to drink. but if you were to walk into a gun store, fill out form 4473, and the shop owner calls the information in and gets the green light to sell the firearm from the FBI or ATF, they have satisfied their legal responsibility. as to their moral responsibility, how does one look into the heart of another and try to determine why they want the weapon? are you some kind of betezoid with the ability to read peoples minds?
What if he reeks of alcohol? What if says he will be in the "newspapers tomorrow"? What if is he is 19 and says he wants it for school? What if he is high on drugs? Etc, etc.
You better believe there is a moral obligation to search your conscience before he walks out of that shop with a weapon.
You can't look into one's heart, but if there are warning signs and they are made manifest at the time of the transaction there may be, or rather should be, a duty to think twice before selling that weapon.
You are telling me, the ATF and FBI have no say in NFA transfers? That T310 is solely responsible for the end users actions? AND the Ineptitude of the FBI and ATF for allowing someone to be approved for an NFA device?
The background check is CRITICALLY extensive.
If the seller does indeed present them self as menacing or a possible threat he does have a right to not sell. Your hyperbolic what if ism that you threw out, means zip, zero, zilch. NADA.
Uhh... wrong...
Not all states enforce the same laws on bars.
My local gun store reported Omar Mateen to the FBI, T-310 can do the same if his customer acted like Mateen. But that wasn't the case now was it? Nope.
In your hyper hysterical short sighted mind whomever owns a machine gun is going to slaughter.
Wrong.
Like a guy who is obviously too drunk, I am talking about activity or words that are obviously suspicious.
Keep what ever guns you want for hunting or self protection. No civilian needs an AR-15.
Ok then I could use a mini 14 with a 30 round magazine shooting the same round as an AR-15.
Difference is it doesn’t have a flash suppressor or bayonet lug or pistol grip.
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