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I don't know if the state will agree to make a plea deal, but they might. It saves the taxpayers a trial for something he has already said he did as well as appeals to his sentence before his actual execution date. Life in prison or the death sentence? Neither will undo the crime.
Once again, even if someone who is mentally ill commits a crime, it doesn't always mean that the mental illness caused them to commit the crime.
Also, "...federal prisoners have symptoms of serious mental illnesses is an indictment of the nation’s mental healthcare system." They're not even saying the prisoners actually have mental illness, just symptoms of mental illness which also describes a lot of people who don't have mental illness.
What the vast majority of prisoners have in common is a violent streak, anger issues and, obviously, a police recrd. This describes most killers, but not the mentally ill.
Well, a broken mental health system will not be providing proper diagnosis, now will it?
And while mental illness may not be a cause, it is possible it is a contributing factor.
I don't know if the state will agree to make a plea deal, but they might. It saves the taxpayers a trial for something he has already said he did as well as appeals to his sentence before his actual execution date. Life in prison or the death sentence? Neither will undo the crime.
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True. But it would still be fun to see him hang.
He won't hang. He'll probably outlive you or I on death row so what's the point? If you want cruelty to match his crime then say yes to his deal and ship him to Pelican Bay Supermax. That'll do it.
In the interest of full disclosure I'm against the death penalty in ANY circumstance.
Well, a broken mental health system will not be providing proper diagnosis, now will it?
You won't get an argument from me that the whole system needs work. First, don't make it so hard for folks to get proper mental health care. Make it a part of all health care insurance for a start. And stop stigmatizing the mentally ill with statements like some make that the mass shootings are a "mental health problem."
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And while mental illness may not be a cause, it is possible it is a contributing factor.
It's very possible in some cases. Not all of them. And certainly not as the blanket statement many folks are making.
Human beings generally cause harm to one another on a regular basis. We are a notoriously malevolent group. That especially goes for group behavior. Once the leader declares the sanctity of a particular action, then we'll suddenly begin to execute that action with frequency. It won't matter if it's "good" or "bad", just as long as the "group" approves.
To us, group approval ranks quite high from a psychological perspective. If your leader convinces you that your group is the best, then your group will quite naturally believe that way and act accordingly.
You'll then begin to establish social behaviors which will tend to reinforce those presumed beliefs and ideas. Over time, the group will perform specfic rituals and establish certain cultural traditions aligned with those presumed beliefs.
Once these ideas become deeply entrenched into the group's psyche, a rigid belief-system is formed and a certain culture is established.
In many cases, this is how misogyny, racism, genocide, aggression, hatred, violence, slavery, greed, and many other negative human atrocities are born.
It's all about man's inhumanity to man and our ability to sustain it, repress it, or ignore it. All due to how our culture is developed.
This is how we've come to the point where we love our firearms more than our species as a whole. We've somehow been convinced that gun ownership is more valuable than human life itself. This gun rights-gun-ownership ideology has taken precedence over our respect for human life, due to the misguided influence we've received from peers and respected others...ie..Parents, relatives, teachers, clergy, friends, politicians, the media, etc...
So is this the type of violent, barbaric, inhumane, blood-thirsty society we're about to develop?
Unfortunately, it would appear that many of us have chosen to sustain it!
No deal. Let the jury and the judge decide if he did it and if he deserves the death penalty for it.
This guy is in a position unsuitable for offering deals. Especially after telling police that yes, he shot a bunch of people in that school on that day.
A jury in Broward county is not going to recommend a death penalty.
They elected a Sheriff on a platform of not arresting their youth for crimes lol.
You won't get an argument from me that the whole system needs work. First, don't make it so hard for folks to get proper mental health care.<>
You have to define the condition, then diagnose the people suffering, then collect them somewhere, then treat. This country has no way to accomplish any step in the procedure, most critically, not enough practitioners to treat the millions diagnosed as crazy enough to kill someone once you identify them. So you have to deal with the obvious lumps of crazy. The latest shooting and investigative failures at all levels of LEO show we have no structure in place to do even this.
Just because someone is mentally ill does not make them killers. Mental illness alone does not make a non-violent person violent. It does not cause them to snap and "go violent."
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This is interesting. Just as people are sick with a virus does not mean they have the lethal flu. But the system that deals with severe flu is able to deal with the lesser viral invasions of our bodies.
I suspect that the system intended to diagnose and treat mass murdering crazies would be as big as the existing medical system since it would be dealing with all lesser problems.
I don't know if that is clear. A mental illness system that would snag crazed killers would be busy dealing with all the other mental cases. It would become as big as the existing system for dealing with physical sickness and injuries.
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