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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2018, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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The number of fatalities is apparently going to be higher than Columbine. SMH So very sad. ABC Radio is saying the shooter got out of the school pretending to be a student trying to escape the shooting and was apprehended three or four miles away. I'd like to know how he got into the school given he wasn't supposed to be on campus.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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And your solution?
Tax cuts for the wealthy! It's the American way AND the solution to pretty much everything
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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The US seems like a third world country with all of these shootings, it not like that with other developed nations.

other developed nations don't have the right to bear arms in the constitution.....those developed nations are screwed once a tyrant takes over the government or a foreign army......history always repeats itself.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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If the shooter was any other race Trump would be blowing this up.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Perhaps you can start with the people who think that making more laws will persuade people who break laws, to not break them any more.

Sorry, I'm old enough to know peeing into the wind is a losing proposition.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:15 PM
 
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Tax cuts for the wealthy! It's the American way AND the solution to pretty much everything
Just wanting to see a solution that would work. Taking guns from legal, responsible gun owners won't affect criminals.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Don't be cowards gun advocates. Just say it.

" It's OK for children to be murdered as long as I get to keep my gun(s)."

YOU are the one who said it and it's a pretty stupid statement.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Whenever a mass shooting like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

An hour ago was the first I've heard of this event, and I know nothing about it except what we've all seen on TV or in forum posts etc.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Ban assault trucks and knives!!
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Austin
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https://twitter.com/CBSMiami/status/963914591276322820

parents, grandparents, spouses, siblings, children are learning of their loved one's deaths right now.
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