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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-24-2018, 01:15 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Love the poll addition. The FBI was in the best position to stop this and received multiple tips from multiple sources and did nothing. Other than the shooter, I would give them 95% of blame.
Why let the the SRO off the hook? He was directly informed on what was planned and not only did nothing but didn't tell anyone either.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:24 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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So what!

We should therefore lie dormant and complacent while these mass-shootings continue to destroy our country.

Americans should be able to carry out their daily routines of living without the continued psychological burden of constant fear when attending school, at the workplace, in route to either.

Americans should not hesitate to go to places of entertainment, like a tavern, a restaurant, a theater, or a concert.

How long can these mass-shootings take place before they eventually negatively effect the economy and the overall American psyche?

For the last time people, the problem is the widespread availability of firearms. An availability made certain by the arms industry with the cooperation of a GOP led congress, due to the strong lobbying arm of the NRA.

For further confirmation, just Google:

Vox News, America's Gun Problem, Explained in 5 Facts
Seems to me with all the people getting the vapors lately it's affecting at least SOME people's psyche right now given some of the posts on C-D...

For the last time zeliner, if it was the "widespread availability of guns" then this would have been happening for well over 50 years now, if not 100+ years. IT HASN'T.

So, it ain't the guns as they're a constant in this whole thing. So put on your thinking cap, bear down real hard and try and figure out what's changed over the last 20 years or so.

I can tell you that you won't find the answers you're looking for on any liberal website and probably not on many conservative ones either.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There are thousands of gun laws on the books now! There is not one law that can be passed that will keep one person from selling or giving or providing a gun (or drugs or whatever) to another person! Not ONE! Nothing can be done to keep a 13 year old, for example, (with the right connections and money) from getting a gun! Idiots think that restricting the rights of law abiding citizens will have an effect on crime! It won’t! Even if every gun or round of ammunition was made illegal today it wouldn’t stop someone intent on committing a crime!
I don't know that there are thousands of gun laws, but if you are correct they must be very weak. Here we have a 17 year old with some definite issues yet he is allowed to own 10 guns. You are pointing to this incident while ignoring the laws that prevent thousands of felons from acquiring weapons, this is a perfect example of our loose gun laws in Florida and they are not the only state in this category. They even allow local governments to be sued or officials removed from office if they add in any new regulations as was the case with the mayor of Tallahassee ,mayor, his crime was banning guns from parks.


Sounds like you can do whatever you want in Florida thanks to the NRA group Florida Carry, if you are breathing then you can own a gun.


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Here are some facts about the gun laws in the Sunshine State, from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent
Prevent Gun Violence and the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action:
  • The right to bear arms is found in the first article of Florida's constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed..."
  • You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm.
  • You don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun.
  • The state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services must issue a concealed weapons license to an applicant as long as the person meets a certain set of requirements, including being a US citizen, being the age of 21 or older, not having a felony conviction and demonstrates competence with a firearm.
  • You can buy as many guns as you want at one time, because Florida doesn't regulate that either.
  • Gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms
  • And Florida does not regulate assault weapons, .50-caliber rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The NRA is simply representative of their citizen members and doesn't contribute very much money compared to many other contributors...But then you KNOW that and refuse to stop lying.

Likewise, you also know that you cannot come up with a single law that would prevent this stuff.

There are always many people dropping the ball and ignoring the signs...but you already knew that too!


There are far more culprits in killing Americans than guns but you focus on guns because you are ignorant and afraid of them due to your projections of how you feel about one in your own hands...probably because of a deep seated inferiority complex surrounding you own jealousy of those you see as stronger than yourself. So you project your frustrated feelings of holding a gun onto others who like guns...

You cannot come up with a solution but totally ignore every single solution presented because they require a change that takes effort instead of your liberal ways of "dioing something" that has no effect except to make you FEEL like you did something...no real work involved, it's very easy...it's the liberal way!

You are worse than sheep, you are a sheep that resents the shepard and champions the wolf...the only reason the wolf hasn't eaten you is because the shepard does his job in spite of your FEELINGS....you benefit from the work of those you hate.
You do have a way with words...
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I don't know that there are thousands of gun laws, but if you are correct they must be very weak. Here we have a 17 year old with some definite issues yet he is allowed to own 10 guns. You are pointing to this incident while ignoring the laws that prevent thousands of felons from acquiring weapons, this is a perfect example of our loose gun laws in Florida and they are not the only state in this category. They even allow local governments to be sued or officials removed from office if they add in any new regulations as was the case with the mayor of Tallahassee ,mayor, his crime was banning guns from parks.


Sounds like you can do whatever you want in Florida thanks to the NRA group Florida Carry, if you are breathing then you can own a gun.
No, it's a perfect example of the FAILURE to use or follow the existing laws. He had issues any yet, NOBODY bothered to address them either legally or informally. He could have been locked up when he made multiple threats to shoot up the school, he could've been sent for treatment or locked up for animal abuse and what happened? NOTHING. So tell me again how the laws are loose?
Shall I go on?

So, don't blame "loose laws" blame the PEOPLE who are charged with enforcing them as that's where all the blame resides...
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Seems to me with all the people getting the vapors lately it's affecting at least SOME people's psyche right now given some of the posts on C-D...

For the last time zeliner, if it was the "widespread availability of guns" then this would have been happening for well over 50 years now, if not 100+ years. IT HASN'T.

So, it ain't the guns as they're a constant in this whole thing. So put on your thinking cap, bear down real hard and try and figure out what's changed over the last 20 years or so.

I can tell you that you won't find the answers you're looking for on any liberal website and probably not on many conservative ones either.
Try Howard Unruh 1949. Generally considered the first of the post WW2 lone wolves. that is roughly 69 years ago. It has been around for a while. Likely becoming more common due to the proliferation of suitable weapons.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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Try Howard Unruh 1949. Generally considered the first of the post WW2 lone wolves. that is roughly 69 years ago. It has been around for a while. Likely becoming more common due to the proliferation of suitable weapons.
Suitable weapons have never been more restricted....what we are witnessing is the result of the Left's destruction of the traditional American culture and their proliferation of not just a no morals society but one that actually attacks the members who still have them.


The left are like Planet Fatness gyms....they actually shun those getting into shape in favor of those who lack real effort... feeding them pizza and helping them feel good about "trying"!
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Suitable weapons have never been more restricted....what we are witnessing is the result of the Left's destruction of the traditional American culture and their proliferation of not just a no morals society but one that actually attacks the members who still have them.


The left are like Planet Fatness gyms....they actually shun those getting into shape in favor of those who lack real effort... feeding them pizza and helping them feel good about "trying"!
Nothing to do with the point. You are of course welcome to your opinion. But that in no way changes the fact that such shootings have been with us for a long time.

And the frequency likely correlates with the growth in semi-autos. Correlation of course never proves causation. But it is pretty clear that semi-autos are the weapon of choice by the lone wolf mass shooter.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Nothing to do with the point. You are of course welcome to your opinion. But that in no way changes the fact that such shootings have been with us for a long time.

And the frequency likely correlates with the growth in semi-autos. Correlation of course never proves causation. But it is pretty clear that semi-autos are the weapon of choice by the lone wolf mass shooter.

And yet you continue to promote the side of the aisle that CREATES these mass shooters!


Instead you want to attack the tools...


I wonder if you'd have tried to ban rocks after the Cain killing?
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Old 02-24-2018, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No, it's a perfect example of the FAILURE to use or follow the existing laws. He had issues any yet, NOBODY bothered to address them either legally or informally. He could have been locked up when he made multiple threats to shoot up the school, he could've been sent for treatment or locked up for animal abuse and what happened? NOTHING. So tell me again how the laws are loose?
Shall I go on?

So, don't blame "loose laws" blame the PEOPLE who are charged with enforcing them as that's where all the blame resides...
He could have been locked up, by who. According to Florida law LE cannot even recommend to a court for removal of his guns. Sure they could detain him but I don't see a conviction over two threats.
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