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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2018, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In what situation though?
Who cares. They commit suicide. /endthread.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:15 PM
 
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Who cares. They commit suicide. /endthread.

No , animals do not commit suicide, which is defined as intentionally and knowingly killing themselves.






BBC - Earth - Many animals seem to kill themselves, but it is not suicide




https://animals.howstuffworks.com/an...it-suicide.htm
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Who cares. They commit suicide. /endthread.
Self harm amongst animals seems to be either the result of stressful unnatural conditions, or herd behaviour which is hard to define as intentional self harm.

In the case of animals attempting self harm due to stressful and unnatural environments, would any changes in brain chemistry when compared to others of the same species in a more natural environment, be independent of their environment?
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Self harm amongst animals seems to be either the result of stressful unnatural conditions, or herd behaviour which is hard to define as intentional self harm.

In the case of animals attempting self harm due to stressful and unnatural environments, would any changes in brain chemistry when compared to others of the same species in a more natural environment, be attributed to brain chemistry changes, independent of their environment?
Yep, probably. I don't know what you're talking about. Animals commit suicide, humans commit suicide. Humans are animals. We're not special.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yep, probably. I don't know what you're talking about. Animals commit suicide, humans commit suicide. Humans are animals. We're not special.
Have you got any specific examples of animals committing suicide?

My point is not that we are special -in fact the very opposite. We attempt self harm, much as animals can when placed in unnatural situations of prolonged stress.

If that premise is correct, would brain chemistry changes happen before, or after, the prolonged stress?
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Self harm amongst animals seems to be either the result of stressful unnatural conditions, or herd behaviour which is hard to define as intentional self harm.

In the case of animals attempting self harm due to stressful and unnatural environments, would any changes in brain chemistry when compared to others of the same species in a more natural environment, be independent of their environment?
I don't get what this has to do with anything else on this thread.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:31 PM
 
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Seems to me if the FBI would have done their job instead of being so focused on trying to take down Trump they may have stopped the shooting. But hey, the left wing is more interested in trying to get Trump instead of the FBI doing their job.
Left-wing, Right-wing, or Center....You must adhere to FOX news in order to know which side is which.

They quite often refer to the "Left" or the "Right". I don't observe other news media using these terms quite so often.

I guess they want their audience to know their definitions clearly, in order to specifically corral them into their "Right-winged" political arena.

It's the FOX news-Right-winged-GOP people we have to thank for this NRA infused debacle in the first place.

Expect absolutely no leadership from Trump, as he is certainly not a good leader and will be certain to support his elitist billionaire profiteering gun running friends.

Once again, Trump will not demonstrate support for the average American citizen.

We need gun control, not mental health assessments!

Heck! On the right day, given the appropriate conditions, any one of us could lose it. However, we'd all be better off if we lost it without having access to a semi-automatic firearm.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:32 PM
 
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Gun ownership started out with good intentions, with a need to hunt/provide food, protect family/friends, allow police to maintain law and order, and for sport. There have also always been bad intentions; and since Columbine, mass shootings have become more frequent. We can agree the problem is guns falling into the hands of a deranged psycho with mental illness or someone who is purely evil.

The solution is not easy, but could include a requirement for training/mental evaluation by peers and references, increasing cost of guns and ammo significantly with proceeds going to victims, requiring gun owners to buy insurance, or increasing penalties for illegal possession to 5 yrs. prison minimum.
In a nation of 300+ million people there will be periodic mass murders. It it unavoidable and there is nothing to be done about it other than execute any murderer who does not save us the trouble by killing himself. Gun control will never be the answer, even after the next mass shooting and the hundred after that. Eliminating guns will simply change the methodology. Like driving cars into crowds of people. So let’s stop concentrating on guns. Guns simply must always be a protected method for people to defend themselves.

We will never get rid of the phenomenon of the mass murder every so often. It is still exceedingly rare and always will be. But it will happen, always. In a nation of 300+ million people, someone will go off the deep end every few months. Nothing can be done about it.

Further gun controls will not solve anything.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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In a nation of 300+ million people there will be periodic mass murders. It it unavoidable and there is nothing to be done about it other than execute any murderer who does not save us the trouble by killing himself. Gun control will never be the answer, even after the next mass shooting and the hundred after that. Eliminating guns will simply change the methodology. Like driving cars into crowds of people. So let’s stop concentrating on guns. Guns simply must always be a protected method for people to defend themselves.

We will never get rid of the phenomenon of the mass murder every so often. It is still exceedingly rare and always will be. But it will happen, always. In a nation of 300+ million people, someone will go off the deep end every few months. Nothing can be done about it.

Further gun controls will not solve anything.

++1 to you
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Seems to me if the FBI would have done their job instead of being so focused on trying to take down Trump they may have stopped the shooting. But hey, the left wing is more interested in trying to get Trump instead of the FBI doing their job.
Wait. You're actually saying that the FBI and their thousands of agents can't handle more than one investigation? LOL That's so stupid!
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