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Old 02-14-2018, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Houston
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As a spouse of someone in a wheelchair I ain’t too worried. They ain’t gonna start busting all them ramps up and making curbs.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Get a sense of humor and quit pretending to being offended.
You think I'm pretending to be offended that the disgusting GOP favors business owners over 3 decades of minimal and reasonable protection for the disabled?

You are about as wrong as it gets.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You think I'm pretending to be offended that the disgusting GOP favors business owners over 3 decades of minimal and reasonable protection for the disabled?

You are about as wrong as it gets.
Why would not business owners want disabled customers?
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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Anyone actually read the full text of the bill? It is in no way removing anyone's rights, benefits, privileges, etc.

Rather, instead of one disabled person crying foul and shutting down a business under a civil rights/ADA violation, the business gets 60 days to notify the petitioner in detail how they will remove a barrier or create an accommodation, and once detailed, they have an additional 120 days max to make the change happen...prior to be shut down because someone cries foul.

The other two sections are about educating businesses on what may be considered an architectural barrier that would violate the ADA in order to stop them from happening in the first place, and another section on creating a model that promotes mediation rather than instantly jumping into civil litigation.

Not one single right, privilege or immunity under the Civil Rights Act or Americans with Disabilities Act is removed, abridged or in any other way harmed to any degree. What the bill seems to be attempting is finding a more fair way to treat business should they run afoul of ADA requirements, other than "shut down all business until aggrieved disabled person is no longer honked off at you."

So I guess the GOP doesn't have anything "against the disabled" given that this bill harms them in no way whatsoever.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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As a spouse of someone in a wheelchair I ain’t too worried. They ain’t gonna start busting all them ramps up and making curbs.
Wow, you really need to become better informed. No one is claiming that businesses are going to break up existing ramps. But hopefully you and your wheelchair bound spouse won't ever want - or need - to visit any new establishments that are built if this law passes because they won't be required to put in those ramps in the first place. It would be up to you to undertake a long, arduous and expensive process of trying to make happen what you take for granted today because of the ADA.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Anyone actually read the full text of the bill? It is in no way removing anyone's rights, benefits, privileges, etc.

Rather, instead of one disabled person crying foul and shutting down a business under a civil rights/ADA violation, the business gets 60 days to notify the petitioner in detail how they will remove a barrier or create an accommodation, and once detailed, they have an additional 120 days max to make the change happen...prior to be shut down because someone cries foul.

The other two sections are about educating businesses on what may be considered an architectural barrier that would violate the ADA in order to stop them from happening in the first place, and another section on creating a model that promotes mediation rather than instantly jumping into civil litigation.

Not one single right, privilege or immunity under the Civil Rights Act or Americans with Disabilities Act is removed, abridged or in any other way harmed in any way. What the bill seems to be attempting is finding a more fair way to treat business should they run afoul of ADA requirements, other than "shut down all business until aggrieved disabled person is no longer honked off at you."

So I guess the GOP doesn't have anything "against the disabled" given that this bill harms them in no way whatsoever.
I've read the bill, not the GOP talking points.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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As a spouse of someone in a wheelchair I ain’t too worried. They ain’t gonna start busting all them ramps up and making curbs.
Exactly. Any NEW buildings will automatically have the proper access points for the disabled.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Correct. He was mocking a disabled person. ANY critical thinking person that won't admit that is playing loosely with the truth.
While we are it , just how many disabled Americans did Hillary insult with her infamous "basket of deplorables" comment?.

Hillary had so much contempt for average citizens she even slyly insinuates mental illness by the use of the word "basket" in her statement.

Well, safe to say many disabled & handicapped Americans let her know how they felt towards her by electing Donald Trump president in 2016.
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Old 02-14-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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Wow, you really need to become better informed. No one is claiming that businesses are going to break up existing ramps. But hopefully you and your wheelchair bound spouse won't ever want - or need - to visit any new establishments that are built if this law passes because they won't be required to put in those ramps in the first place. It would be up to you to undertake a long, arduous and expensive process of trying to make happen what you take for granted today because of the ADA.
So now the real intent of this topic becomes clear.

You, yet again, blame Trump for some hypothetical nonsense.

And you shamefully hide it under the guise of caring for the disabled.

No wonder the Democrats can't win elections anymore.
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Old 02-14-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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I've read the bill, not the GOP talking points.
I haven't read anything about the bill besides this thread and the bill itself.

It does not remove a single right, privilege or immunity under the CRA or ADA. Not one. It simply adds a "notice and cure period" to the ADA to allow businesses an opportunity to address any architectural barriers that constitute ADA barriers, specifically outlines the time limits and then adds things like education, mediation, etc.

So why does giving business a max of 180 days to address an architectural barrier constitute the GOP having something against disabled people? No access ramp at new store? OK, cry foul, and within 180 days, there will be one if the business feels like staying open.

All that changes is the whole "I cry foul and shut a business down overnight until they race to do my bidding" litigious lottery system. Now, a business has a chance to make things right for the aggrieved person without shutting down and/or going out of business.
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