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As long as you keep enacting a system where some people get more than they pay for, while others get less than they pay for, you will never be able to find agreement that your system is "fair".
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Originally Posted by le roi
"fairness" would be a matter of how that person's tax rate compared to those of other individuals, companies, and other organizations.
In other words, the amount he's taxed, should depend on how much money he earns?
A baseless assertion. What does his salary have to do with how much the government does for him?
Actually it does if you care at all about social mobility. Why hurt the poor more with a flat rate? That makes no sense.
There could be an income exclusion for $60k per person or whatever the exact poverty line currently is.
If everything else is going to be taxed at only 10% or so, eliminate all deductions and loopholes. Simplify taxes to the point of no longer needing to "do" taxes every year because it's able to be automatically deducted appropriately.
Oh, and eliminate the unfair practice of citizenship-based taxation. Tax based on residence.
There could be an income exclusion for $60k per person or whatever the exact poverty line currently is.
If everything else is going to be taxed at only 10% or so, eliminate all deductions and loopholes. Simplify taxes to the point of no longer needing to "do" taxes every year because it's able to be automatically deducted appropriately.
Oh, and eliminate the unfair practice of citizenship-based taxation. Tax based on residence.
Reasonable thoughts I could get on board with residence based taxation as well as your income exclusion as long as the revenue generated can appropriately fund everything I don't see a problem. The tax code is devilishly complicated. Many foreign countries have much simpler systems for taxation we should look abroad for a simpler model.
Flat tax is fair... it does not look at income, it looks at you as a person being equal to every other person.
Sorry I have to disagree with this, IF I make $35K a year and someone else make $75K or more why should I have to pay the same taxes as they do? I get that pay luxury taxes because they buy bigger houses, more expensive cars, etc. But no one is twisting their arms to buy those things.
Actually it does if you care at all about social mobility.
The purpose of taxation is to get funds to run the government. Not to "care about social mobility". And especially not to get funds to buy the votes of the greatest number for yourself, which is the real reason liberals push progressive income taxes.
As long as you keep enacting a system where some people get more than they pay for, while others get less than they pay for, you will never be able to find agreement that your system is "fair".
What does a person's salary have to do with how much the government does for him?
The purpose of taxation is to get funds to run the government. Not to "care about social mobility". And especially not to get funds to buy the votes of the greatest number for yourself, which is the real reason liberals push progressive income taxes.
As long as you keep enacting a system where some people get more than they pay for, while others get less than they pay for, you will never be able to find agreement that your system is "fair".
What does a person's salary have to do with how much the government does for him?
Why do you want to make poor people poorer? Flat tax is just a mean spirited way of kicking the poor in the teeth and making it harder for them to move up. If there was some income cutoff like if you make 50k or less you don't pay as much or nothing at all that would be fine. Wealthy should pay the majority of the tax they get the most out of society protection for there private property and businesses infrastructure for commerce etc.
Sorry I have to disagree with this, IF I make $35K a year and someone else make $75K or more why should I have to pay the same taxes as they do? I get that pay luxury taxes because they buy bigger houses, more expensive cars, etc. But no one is twisting their arms to buy those things.
With a flat federal income tax, for example 10%, you wouldn't pay the same in taxes that they do. You'd pay $3,500. They'd pay $7,500 or more.
IMHO nobody should have to work 1/3 the time for the government and 2/3 the time for themselves.
this is such a weird interpretation of what taxes are
as if the government just keeps what you send it, rather than providing you with military protection, roads to get where you need to go, firemen, medical services, etc
The purpose of taxation is to get funds to run the government. Not to "care about social mobility".
The two are inherently linked
For example if you tax some billionaire at 0% on the wealth he/she accumulates in a year and Joe Wageearner at 30% of the wages he/she earns in a year, then that's going to inhibit social mobility regardless of whether social mobility was "the purpose" or not.
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